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« Reply #120 on: April 08, 2008, 11:02:45 PM »
Head Six was quite a trip for me, worse with Head Baltar...
I got another theory:

Head 6 is Evil (Iblis type) and pushing Baltar to help the Cylons...

Head Baltar is TPTB (The Powers That Be- SOL -TOS) balancing the score and pushing 6 to be good and Help Humanity.

I highly suspect Baltar is Model 1, or just seriously insane. The guilt that 6 laid on him on Caprica has shattered his hold on reality permanently and everything he went through is just a sad decent into destruction - But he keeps comming through it?

It's too bad Anders didn't stop Kara and sit her down and say, "look you got to listen to me now, I just found out something but it doesn't affect how I feel about you or that I hate the fraking toasters... I'm a toaster, one of the final five... um, pls put the gun down..."

Kara is gonna freak... How many rounds does that gun hold? :)
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« Reply #121 on: April 08, 2008, 11:55:09 PM »
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I had considered this (the entire colonies being Cylon) a few times in the series.
I just figured it was too far out there...
Now we have a sort of Matrix thing happening, Cylon race that thinks their Human to proliferate. The only way they could reproduce was with love and a perception of biological life. But I can't get my head around why wipe out most of them and drive them in search of 1 planet when they already had 12?
Unless it is like seeking their makers who left for the 13th colony when it got out of control. "All of this has happened before, and it will happen again..."


I always figured they decided to go after earth for the same reason they are chasing the fleet, so that they can be certain no one would ever come after them, since what would happen if the 13th tribe ever decided to pay the other 12 a visit and only found cylons?

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« Reply #122 on: April 09, 2008, 03:00:00 AM »
I've been watching the deleted scenes lately, and man, why? Why were they deleted?
They added so much more depth to the characters and made episodes that seemed flat suddenly have some real meat. For some commercials? TV butchers art every chance it can get....
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« Reply #123 on: April 09, 2008, 03:59:37 AM »
What I find frustrating and unimaginative about the whole Starbuck/Earth thing is how it's being treated as an all or nothing proposition.  Either she must be wholly trusted without any evidence and the whole fleet must go where she leads, or she's a raving lunatic/Cylon and the fleet keeps heading on the same heading without anyone consulting the Scriptures to figure out what to do next.  Why can't they simply send a small group of ships, say some fighters and some raptors, to scout out Earth and her claims while the fleet waits in a safe spot or carries on in some other manner that this expedition could rejoin the fleet?  Must it be some unthinking all or nothing proposition??

This is just in the same manner as the easiest way to confirm that Arroway is telling the truth in "Contact" is to send another damned person through the thing, but no one can possibly think of that, so we get clobbered over the head with some leap of faith BS instead of the scientific method.
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« Reply #124 on: April 09, 2008, 04:38:55 AM »
As a side note... I realized on my 2nd viewing that the Cylon raider has been tweaked since previous seasons.  I watched some season 2 stuff and Scar (now I know Scar itself was different looking) and the Zoic raiders had a flat visor like the old Cylons while the one in Season 4 has the new school V-Visor.  Surprised I haven't seen this mentioned before.  
  As for Starbuck... I was pissed before when they killed her because i thought it was the biggest destiny cop-out ever.  Now that she's back, I can't accept that she'd be a Cylon.  It would ruin her character arc completely.  Honestly the only person i could see being the final 1 is Dualla.  Everyone else is too important of a human character for it to work out.  Granted, I thought the same thing about Chief and Tigh.  We'll see.

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« Reply #125 on: April 09, 2008, 05:11:35 AM »
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Given the numbers we do know it could easily go 1, 2-8 (The seven known models), 9-12 (known Final Five).

Which would be a very interesting numbering pattern indeed.


The final five numbers have to equal 6 in some way. Why else would Adama keep saying "roll a hard six" . Sure you could say it refers to "craps" but no one on the show seems to know what it means....

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« Reply #126 on: April 09, 2008, 05:47:40 AM »
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As a side note... I realized on my 2nd viewing that the Cylon raider has been tweaked since previous seasons.  I watched some season 2 stuff and Scar (now I know Scar itself was different looking) and the Zoic raiders had a flat visor like the old Cylons while the one in Season 4 has the new school V-Visor.  Surprised I haven't seen this mentioned before.  
  As for Starbuck... I was pissed before when they killed her because i thought it was the biggest destiny cop-out ever.  Now that she's back, I can't accept that she'd be a Cylon.  It would ruin her character arc completely.  Honestly the only person i could see being the final 1 is Dualla.  Everyone else is too important of a human character for it to work out.  Granted, I thought the same thing about Chief and Tigh.  We'll see.

This was discussed to death when Razor came out, that's why!:nod:  

[edit: Sorry that seemed to read a bit harsh, it's not meant that way.]
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« Reply #127 on: April 09, 2008, 01:04:30 PM »
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The final five numbers have to equal 6 in some way. Why else would Adama keep saying "roll a hard six" . Sure you could say it refers to "craps" but no one on the show seems to know what it means....


umm, it just means youve got to make a hard decision or to take a chance (s rolling a 6 in gambling has a 1 in 6 chance)

Edit: The rest of the characters know what it means, or at least more or less, ts just one of the things that Adma says that makes a unique character
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« Reply #128 on: April 09, 2008, 04:04:57 PM »
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umm, it just means youve got to make a hard decision or to take a chance (s rolling a 6 in gambling has a 1 in 6 chance)

Edit: The rest of the characters know what it means, or at least more or less, ts just one of the things that Adma says that makes a unique character



But rolling a hard six is a one in 36 chance (3,3), compared to 5/36 for rolling just a total of 6 on two dice.  It's a term from the game craps and the payoff is higher, but missing it is more likely too.

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« Reply #129 on: April 09, 2008, 04:05:31 PM »
Odds of rolling a hard six (two three's) is 35 to 1.
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« Reply #130 on: April 09, 2008, 07:30:23 PM »
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Odds of rolling a hard six (two three's) is 35 to 1.


35 to one is a shady way of stating a one in 36 possibility.  While you can argue they both have the same probability, the payouts are different.  When paid as 35 to one rather than 36:1 which is the true difference in the casino keeps the difference as the vig.  That's where most of the house advantage comes from, a sleight of hand in use of natural language rather than adhering to true mathematical form.

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« Reply #131 on: April 09, 2008, 07:59:24 PM »
There are some things that got me thinking...

1.- They always say "The Cylons built their OWN skin jobs". Does that mean that there were other skin jobs created before but not by Cylons?... maybe humans created skin jobs before the cylons created theirs? Could the final 5 be these models and could that explain why they don't like each other?

2.- Why would the cylons fight for their freedom from humans and then create skinjobs to go back and being slaves? If I was one of those toasters, I would definitively not create other cylons and program myself to obey them. Could it be the final 5 were created by humans and at the same time programmed the original toasters to obey these new and better versions of themselves? Not sure but would make more sense than cylon toasters enslaving themselves agian.

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« Reply #132 on: April 09, 2008, 08:26:21 PM »
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35 to one is a shady way of stating a one in 36 possibility.  While you can argue they both have the same probability, the payouts are different.  When paid as 35 to one rather than 36:1 which is the true difference in the casino keeps the difference as the vig.  That's where most of the house advantage comes from, a sleight of hand in use of natural language rather than adhering to true mathematical form.

Your talking Probability not odds (probability is 1 out of 36)

The true odds of any pair on two dice is 35 to 1: Number of possibilities other than your number is 35/1 is the possibility of rolling your number.

However the casino will pay you 9 to 1 for rolling it because the odds (within the game of craps) is 10 to 1 of rolling a hard six because there are ten ways to lose and only 1 way to win. you lose if you roll any easy 6 (4 ways to do that) or any 7 (6 ways to do that) hence 10 ways to lose. Only 1 hard six (10 to 1), But casino will pay 9 to 1 thats where the house edge is.
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« Reply #133 on: April 10, 2008, 05:11:31 AM »
Edit: The rest of the characters know what it means, or at least more or less, ts just one of the things that Adma says that makes a unique character[/QUOTE]

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« Reply #134 on: April 10, 2008, 05:31:47 AM »
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There are some things that got me thinking...

1.- They always say "The Cylons built their OWN skin jobs". Does that mean that there were other skin jobs created before but not by Cylons?... maybe humans created skin jobs before the cylons created theirs? Could the final 5 be these models and could that explain why they don't like each other?


Then why would everybody always be so shocked when they heard the phrase, "The Cylons look like us now"?

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2.- Why would the cylons fight for their freedom from humans and then create skinjobs to go back and being slaves? If I was one of those toasters, I would definitively not create other cylons and program myself to obey them. Could it be the final 5 were created by humans and at the same time programmed the original toasters to obey these new and better versions of themselves? Not sure but would make more sense than cylon toasters enslaving themselves agian.

AJAG


My guess is that it was an accident.  The Cylons created the humans as another type of Cylon, but the mechanicals didn't count on them seeking to gain power.  Lets just say that if the toasters ever figure this out, the skinjobs are in for it.
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