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« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2006, 07:19:58 PM »
Qwer how do you know?
It could be his real name before he became the trancendent.

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« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2006, 07:53:11 AM »
Because, as you can see in those 2 shots, Sync and Transcend characters are somehow connected. Look at their names. Ship1, Ship3, Ship4 and None1. It lacks of 2, where None1 is in the place. It must be Phi 2. When you look at Sub-Flash shot you can see Transcendant in the same place where None1 is. It's hard evidance. How is it possible I don't know really. Maybe Sync it's some kind of alternative reallity of Transcend.
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« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2006, 11:18:32 PM »
Another thing tying the two campaigns together is the repeated mention of being "disconnected". In Sync, the "other Vasudans" mention that the Terran force is disconnected, in reply to why they were hunting them. In Transcend, Omega tells that the Transcendant was "disconnected from the universe". Later (or earlier, I'm not sure) Sunder mentions that he feels disconnected as well.

Perhaps being disconnected is the first step in transcending? It seems to happen to people in close proximity to the Sync drive (I'm assuming here that the Transcendant came into contact with Sync, and also that the cargo in the nebula was Sync), or perhaps by coming into close proximity to a transcended being. Or does this disconnection refer instead to taking place in an event of very large porportions (such as the events in Sync and Transcend)?

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« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2006, 07:45:41 AM »
That's intresting. Those 2 universes are directly connected. Maybe Presistence group and their Transcend clones (look at those 2 shots i've made in FRED) are connections beetwen those 2 universes and Vasudan goal was to do something about this part connection. However i haven't got idea if they wanted to totally connect universes or totally disconnect. I think a lot of this will be revealed in second part of Sync. I hope Ransom will complete it shortly. :)
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« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2006, 03:39:31 PM »
Another idea just occurred to me. I was thinking about the similarities between the ships in Sync and Transcend, and I think I have an idea on what exactly the Transcendant was up to.

In Sync, the fleet carrying it (the drive) contained one Deimos, one cruiser, one freighter, one transport, and several fighters.
In Transcend, the fleet in the tunnel contained one Deimos, one cruiser (the Silent Eye), one transport (Sinclair), one freighter (Chondral), and several fighters.
It seems to me as though the Transcendant was trying to reconstruct the Sync drive by reconstructing the fleet that carried it. The only pieces missing were several more fighters, hence why he was after Omicron wing. In this context, his plead of "help me.... help me.... HELP ME..... PLEASE!" makes a little more sense, because he wasn't asking to be killed, but rather asking Sunder's help in reconstructing the fleet.
If the Sync drive was the reason he transcended, maybe he was trying to reverse the process.
Just a thought.
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« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2006, 03:57:27 PM »
You've got point, but that shot i've made suggests that not Silent Eye, but Concord was Truth's counterpart. Or maybe Silent Eye was just replacement of Concord?
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« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2006, 08:45:34 PM »
You'll notice I said the fleet in the subspace tunnel. No Concord ever appeared in subspace.

One thing I forgot to mention was that maybe the collapsing jump node, plus the Transcendant's bizarre power plus the correct number and classes of ships would, in fact, achieve the same effect as Sync.


One thing in Sync bugs me though. In the mission (can't remember the number) where Alpha 3 starts getting angry and the Qetesh first appears, Alpha 3 mentions "... right after the Teranto appeared and got all excited..."
This confuses me because no ship called "Teranto" appeared anywhere in the campaign... or so I thought. The strange Pegasus fighter is called "Teranto" isn't it? But this still leaves the question about "the Teranto getting all excited..." because the Teranto didn't do anything in that mission (the first mission in which Sync was activated). Was there a transmission from him supposed to show up, but for whatever reason, didn't?

Finally, what does the world End have to do with anything? Or the Sage? For some reason I feel that they are important, but why I have no idea. You don't suppose the Sage could be all that's left of the Carthage do you? Maybe part of its nameplate was burnt off, leaving "age", and someone painted the "S" on later?
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« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2006, 07:09:03 AM »
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You'll notice I said the fleet in the subspace tunnel. No Concord ever appeared in subspace.


I meant those 2 shots i've made (you can see the link in one of my earlier posts). The counterpart of Truth is definitly another Fenris cruiser and there are only 2 Fenrises in Transcend: Concord and another one destroyed by Generation it mission when it's destroyed by Hecate. And i've said Silent Eye would be Concord's replacement in Subspace Tunnel.

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One thing I forgot to mention was that maybe the collapsing jump node, plus the Transcendant's bizarre power plus the correct number and classes of ships would, in fact, achieve the same effect as Sync.


Add Transcendant destruction to it and everything is restored to normallity. ;)


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One thing in Sync bugs me though. In the mission (can't remember the number) where Alpha 3 starts getting angry and the Qetesh first appears, Alpha 3 mentions "... right after the Teranto appeared and got all excited..."
This confuses me because no ship called "Teranto" appeared anywhere in the campaign... or so I thought. The strange Pegasus fighter is called "Teranto" isn't it? But this still leaves the question about "the Teranto getting all excited..." because the Teranto didn't do anything in that mission (the first mission in which Sync was activated). Was there a transmission from him supposed to show up, but for whatever reason, didn't?



I didn't saw that transmission anywhere. Looks like i'll have to replay Sync one more time. :biggrin1:


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Finally, what does the world End have to do with anything? Or the Sage? For some reason I feel that they are important, but why I have no idea. You don't suppose the Sage could be all that's left of the Carthage do you? Maybe part of its nameplate was burnt off, leaving "age", and someone painted the "S" on later?


Yeah, that's possible, but i have no idea how did it found itself in Transcend.
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« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2006, 07:56:22 PM »
Rivetting discussion :)

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« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2006, 03:44:20 PM »
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I've also looked at its waypoint in M4. It's named "PenumbraTerantoJump". Don't you think Penumbra Teranto could be real name of Transcendant?


I'm replaying Sync now, and I looked at E1M4 in FRED. GTD Carthage also jumps out at PenumbraTerantoJump, and in message SEXPs destroyer is named Teranto, not Carthage.
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« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2006, 05:27:47 PM »
Yeah, I looked more closely at those missions to. "Teranto" is in no way connected to the Penumbra. Teranto is the name of the fighter wing escorting the Carthage all over the place. Which means that Alpha 3's transmission makes more sense, given that Teranto wing did most of the talking during the "arrest".

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« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2006, 05:34:58 PM »
The Teranto was the original name for the Carthage, IIRC. The Carthage and the Persistence did a lot of back-and-forth chatting during the arrest, so Alpha 3's statement in the later mission ("the Teranto jumped in and got all excited") makes sense.

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« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2006, 02:37:57 AM »
I've been doing more thinking... mainly on Sync. I had another idea, don't know how plausible.

In the first mission of Sync, there is a Vasudan corvette (forgot the name) in that nebula. It was a lot farther away from the node than the Tether, so I think it's safe to assume that the Vasudan corvette did not enter the node when it collapsed.
Assuming that it survived: could the crew be the ancestors of the Vasudan splinter group found after the first Sync-jump?
Here I'm assuming that Sync distorts time by quite a bit more than is proven, but I wonder if it couldn't have happened. Those other Vasudans knew about Terrans, and if they had split off hundreds of years ago they would never have known the Terran race. But if they were the descendants of the Vasudan corvette then they would know about Terrans wouldn't they?

Even scarier thought just occurred to me: if Sync distorts time by a lot, could it be that those Vasudans were all that was left of the GTVA in some distant future? They are using the same era's technology, granted, but if there was a major cataclysm that wiped out most of the GTVA (including the Terrans), then a bunch of technology could have been lost... It might also explain those debris fields... left over from the cataclysm. There might have been hundreds of those scattered all around, and the Vasudans would be using automated transports like the Qetesh to salvage technology from them...? They seemed to know what would happen if Sync was continued to be used, which could mean that the cataclysm was brought about by Sync. They also apparently were able to control Sync, indicating that they knew far more about it than the Persistence. Maybe in trying to kill the Persistence's convoy they were trying to alter the past, and prevent the Sync-induced cataclysm from coming about.

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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2007, 03:02:42 AM »
Good theories, but a couple problems:
-In Sync, we encounter both the Carthage and the Darshor.  Both of these ships appear in the FS2 campaign, intact.  Both are in FS2 AFTER they appear in Sync.  The Carthage is the Carthage, nothing else.
-Trascend appears to be set after the second Shivan incursion, whereas Sync occurs both before and after it.  Sync may actually trigger an alternate reality, for that matter.

There are obvious relationships between Sync and Trascend, but I don't think it's anything so simple as one Sync character becoming the Transcendant.  However, I'm not Ransom :P

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« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2007, 04:58:09 PM »
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I wonder how would Shivans react for Transcendant's influence. Would they become slaves like Chondral or Generarion?


they would go to the capella star, let it go supernova, to create an wormhole to another universe to flee from the trandescend?