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« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2007, 01:48:22 PM »
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Spoiler 3rd season final ahead:
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But that thing about starback leading humanity to death really disturbs me. Why did the cylons jamm the transmission if it's just a lie? Maybe the fourth season will be referring to this point that Shaw wanted to tell something about starbuck. I mean, after he just appeared at the end of season 3 again, someone clearly will accuse her of beeing a cylon (if the fleet survives the incomming basestars and it better will be).
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[spoiler]Well, end doesn't necessarily means death, you could even think of it as "goal" as in "Starbuck will lead the humanity to its goal".[/spoiler]

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« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2007, 02:04:47 PM »
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it may not have been the hybrid. could have been the toasters cos they didn't know any better.


That's a good point. Perhaps they came to the conclusion that remote detonation of charges on the cylon ship was the most likely tactic (as it really was the tactic being used), and they were jamming frequencies not to cut off communications but to keep the nuke from 'sploding.

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« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2007, 02:12:03 PM »
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[spoiler]Well, end doesn't necessarily means death, you could even think of it as "goal" as in "Starbuck will lead the humanity to its goal".[/spoiler]


Okay, you're right about that. One could interprete it that way too.

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« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2007, 02:47:00 PM »
Problem with that is that we have two opposite interpretations leaving us almost in the same unknowing place we where before.
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« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2007, 04:13:30 PM »
Well, less need to make up Colonial capital classes now, eh mod team? Eh? :p

As was noted on HLP, the apparent Galactica-class ship seen in at the Scorpion Yards can't actually be a Galactica, because it's bigger than Pegasus, where by all other available information Pegasus is either larger or roughly the same size as Galactica.

I think Cain's XO was actually correct. It was a stupid thing to do, and yes, Pegasus could do it, but it was still stupid. For that matter not throwing the book at it instead of using just one squadron seems equally stupid. It also leaves me wondering what might have been. Between the Scorpion Yards attack and the relay station Pegasus apparently lost more than ONE HUNDRED Vipers.

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I'm not shitting here people. Either Peggy was down to damn near nothing by the time it met up with Galactica, or that's one helluva huge bird farm. This also makes Adama's willingness to take on Pegasus with Galactica more rational; both groups of pilots are good, plenty of combat experience, but Galactica's pilots would have something Pegasus' didn't: confidence. They're good and they know it, and they have a real belief they can win, because they're used to winning. Meanwhile, Pegasus' pilots have been repeatedly kicked in the nuts. They win too, but they do it leaving bits and pieces of Mark VII's all over the place. They also know that Galactica's pilots have consistantly done more, with less, then they have, and are probably light-years ahead of any Raider in terms of skill. Quite probably Pegasus' CAP was scared shitless at the prospect of taking on Galactica's airgroup.

I'm also quite amazed that nobody put a straightjacket on Cain at some point. She called them soldiers. Well there are rules for soldiers, and I have no doubts Cain broke quite a lot of them. I think it very possible she was mentally unbalanced; certainly by the time she practically ordered Gina beat to shit and raped.

Also, funny symmetry to that: when she gave the orders to execute the families I said out loud "Why not, you killed your own family."...which is eerily true considering Gina's abrupt demotion from lover to inanimate object.


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« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2007, 04:20:13 PM »
thing is, i've heard alot of people saying that it's completely implorsable that the crew would have followed cain because she gave orders to kill civies when the first duty of the military is to protect the people.........we are forgetting one thing though. we're assuming that the colonial military works the same way as ours when it may be completely different.

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« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2007, 04:47:24 PM »
Pegasus didn't lose 100 vipers.  Many of the ones you're referring to were simply badly damaged, with engineer's saying they dont have enough spare parts to repair them.  Thats why cain ordered the civilian ships stripped..to get the spare parts needed to repair the vipers.  Remember the ultimate point of reference was that when pegasus met up with galactica, she had 3 full squadrons.  She's made to carry 4.  Factor in number destroyed, with total number, and number they were able to rebuild in thier viper construction factory onboard, it makes sense.

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« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2007, 04:53:08 PM »
Well tbh I agree... losing 700 crew members and God knows how many vipers(can't remember the exact number) for a relay station , no matter how many raiders they took down is not a failure , is a complete disaster...

Also killing her XO , especially since they were close... that's even worse. Not sure though if colonial military uses death penalty for disobeying a direct order.
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« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2007, 04:55:19 PM »
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Well, less need to make up Colonial capital classes now, eh mod team? Eh? :p

As was noted on HLP, the apparent Galactica-class ship seen in at the Scorpion Yards can't actually be a Galactica, because it's bigger than Pegasus, where by all other available information Pegasus is either larger or roughly the same size as Galactica.


I believe that's more to do with perspective. If you look carefully it has to be closer to the camera and quite higher than peggy.
If not it's just a damn huuuuge ship with the exact same layout as galactica. It doesn't make much sense.

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« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2007, 06:00:29 PM »
It's a CGI mistake or a matter of perspective.

If the animators think that you can introduce a new class by taking an existing model and scaling it up they should be shot.

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« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2007, 06:59:14 PM »
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Well they are battlestars. The thing is that the one berther immediately next to pegasus looks very strange. I'd like to say it is a battlestar but it looks very different. Kind of like that it should be in the old series. I'd still like to see it though. And then there was the one berthed on the far end that looked more like galactica only much much bigger. (hell it looked huge even compared to pegasus if you look at the scene.)


They're not battlestars. For them to be battlestars, they would dramatically contradict the count given by Cain to the number of ships lost at Scorpio. In addition, their layout is quite different from that of a BS.

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Fall_of_the_Scorpion_Fleet_Shipyards#Berzerk_Orthos

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« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2007, 07:35:49 PM »
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They're not battlestars. For them to be battlestars, they would dramatically contradict the count given by Cain to the number of ships lost at Scorpio. In addition, their layout is quite different from that of a BS.

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Fall_of_the_Scorpion_Fleet_Shipyards#Berzerk_Orthos


Looks like a armed Cargo Frigate.
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« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2007, 08:56:24 PM »
well the wiki says it's a support craft..........which could basically mean anything. It looks like some sort of hauler but the fact that it has the same sort of design of a battlestar indicates a more military pedigree but there are no guns on it.....quite odd really.

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« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2007, 09:00:46 PM »
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They're not battlestars. For them to be battlestars, they would dramatically contradict the count given by Cain to the number of ships lost at Scorpio. In addition, their layout is quite different from that of a BS.

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Fall_of_the_Scorpion_Fleet_Shipyards#Berzerk_Orthos


Ok having seen that screenshot on the paage of the beserk i'd say that isn't a battlestar. Perhaps another type of military craft though. certainly it's battlestar sized. The one berthed at the top end of the shipyard though still looks like galactica only bigger though.

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« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2007, 09:47:32 PM »
I need to watch it again and take screens...
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