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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2007, 03:20:12 PM »
Good movie... make the time till season 4 tick even slower..
Anyway it gives another round of questions about cylons , as well as the well known " All of this has happened before....."
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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2007, 04:33:05 PM »
Yeah ,tick real slow. Start of the last season another 4 something month wait. Plus the 9 Month wait to get Razor. Wait a minute has it been that long? A little over a year since that last episode?

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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2007, 04:45:03 PM »
My favorite moment...Shaw and Hoshi walking down the corridor of Pegasus to show Shaw her quarters, everything is hunky dory, and then BAM...explosion. No warning, just there it is. That's very immersive, in my opinion, and was a very good dramatic effect. In the miniseries, we as the audience knew when the attack was happening, we had outside clues. But in Razor, we're given the opportunity to experience how truly sudden the attack was.

My second favorite moment was the discovery that Cain was gay. It makes her reactions to Gina a lot deeper, and it's also in my opinion a bold move, to make an Admiral a homosexual. RDM never fails to impress.

But now my head is bursting with questions about the hybrid. Was he really the Cylon God? Was he the one who created the 12 human form cylons, or only the first 7, and not the final 5? How does he know so much about Kara's destiny, and how did he know about Shaw's experiences? Are there more copies of him??

March is too far away...

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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2007, 07:26:11 PM »
my only question is "what do we call the ships berthed next to Pegasus in the shipyard?". Still, seeming its a cylon that said not to trust Kara, he could of just been trying to mess with peoples minds, but then, if that was the case, why then block communications when u could discredit the fleets best pilot...
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« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2007, 07:51:51 PM »
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seeming its a cylon that said not to trust Kara, he could of just been trying to mess with peoples minds, but then, if that was the case, why then block communications when u could discredit the fleets best pilot...


He wasn't a Cylon, he was a human altered to function as integral basestar pilot.
As seen by young Adama and later baltar, the hybrids use some mental connectivity to control the basestar's. Maybe there is more to this mental ability.
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« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2007, 08:27:16 PM »
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my only question is "what do we call the ships berthed next to Pegasus in the shipyard?".


We call them battlestars.  One looked exactly like Adama's old ship the valkyrie.  All of them had flight pods.  Remember when Cain was recounting the attacks for Adama, she said "6 ships, 4 of them battlestars were instantly destroyed"

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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2007, 09:09:27 PM »
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old style raider was officially in a new Battlestar Galactica episode.

so it now HAS to be part of BTRL somehow lol.
it was used in the Battlestar Galactica RAZOR 2 hour movie. so since it was officially used we somehow have to work it into BTRL lol. whether as an officially added ship or as a custom added download. it HAS to be there now to keep in line with using official ships that were used in the new Battlestar Galactica series.

by the way the RAZOR movie was AWESOME.

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You know i've been wanting to say that for the last month since i saw the leaked version but couldn't because of the spoilers. I'd also love to see the old basestars from the flashbacks and the hybrid basestar. that just lookd awsome. kinda halfway between the old and the new.

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I dug Razor for the most part.  I thought the actress that played Shaw was a little weak compared to the rest of the cast... her delivery was flat even when she was a "scared rook".  I can understand later as she's supposed to be hardened... but even then it felt like there was no force behind the words.  Effects were great... "By your command" was sweet.  My only other gripe is that the hallway shoot out felt WAY too much like Aliens.  Even the rifle sounds were the same.  Now I love Aliens... as Aliens.  I think that could have been done better.  Still love/hate Cain and Forbes was great reprising her role.  I wish they'd have made the XO execution hit home a little harder.  That it was her friend she'd known for years that she's just offed.  I really thought Katee Sackhoff was excellent in this too, unlike the later parts of season 3.  
Super cool seeing the old Pegasus cast back in all its glory... from Showboat to Hoshi to Fisk to Laird.  Word.


I would have liked to have seen a little more depth in the EXO execution but the fact is that when you think about it, cain knew they were potentially the only humans left and if her crew was going to survive then there couldn't be any sort of question about her orders. She couldn't have a first officer that would question orders and well.........cain sees the mission as coming first above all else.

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I think the problem was him looking too much like Joey Tribbiani, haircut and goofy grin and everything.


Now see i can only think of him as rhade from andromeda.

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My favorite moment...Shaw and Hoshi walking down the corridor of Pegasus to show Shaw her quarters, everything is hunky dory, and then BAM...explosion. No warning, just there it is. That's very immersive, in my opinion, and was a very good dramatic effect. In the miniseries, we as the audience knew when the attack was happening, we had outside clues. But in Razor, we're given the opportunity to experience how truly sudden the attack was.

My second favorite moment was the discovery that Cain was gay. It makes her reactions to Gina a lot deeper, and it's also in my opinion a bold move, to make an Admiral a homosexual. RDM never fails to impress.

But now my head is bursting with questions about the hybrid. Was he really the Cylon God? Was he the one who created the 12 human form cylons, or only the first 7, and not the final 5? How does he know so much about Kara's destiny, and how did he know about Shaw's experiences? Are there more copies of him??

March is too far away...


Totally agree. i thought the same way.

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my only question is "what do we call the ships berthed next to Pegasus in the shipyard?". Still, seeming its a cylon that said not to trust Kara, he could of just been trying to mess with peoples minds, but then, if that was the case, why then block communications when u could discredit the fleets best pilot...



Well they are battlestars. The thing is that the one berther immediately next to pegasus looks very strange. I'd like to say it is a battlestar but it looks very different. Kind of like that it should be in the old series. I'd still like to see it though. And then there was the one berthed on the far end that looked more like galactica only much much bigger. (hell it looked huge even compared to pegasus if you look at the scene.)

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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2007, 09:33:06 PM »
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Now see i can only think of him as rhade from andromeda.

In both series killed by his commanding officer... What a irony...
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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2007, 09:40:07 PM »
lol. i didn't think of it like that......yet very true.

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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2007, 10:50:13 PM »
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My second favorite moment was the discovery that Cain was gay. It makes her reactions to Gina a lot deeper, and it's also in my opinion a bold move, to make an Admiral a homosexual. RDM never fails to impress.


I don't think Cain is necessarily gay... I look at it as looking for companionship in extreme circumstances. One's sexual orientation is not as simple as "having relations with the same sex". I think having Sixes seducing both men and women was a great touch, showing just how easy it is to manipulate us when one knows which buttons to push. Even strong individuals like Cain.

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« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2007, 11:03:32 PM »
i just liked how it wasn't a big deal. It wasn't like 'oh wow she's gay, let's all look at the gay woman' it was just a case of kendra wondering how cain and gina hooked up. I like that. It shows how progressive the show is.

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« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2007, 11:09:24 PM »
After having a chance to sleep on my reactions to this movie, I've found it an interesting, albeit likely coincidental, placement for this to come off the heels of the season 3 finale. I know season 3 gets fan-flak a lot of the time for it's lack of action compared to Seasons 1 and 2, but I've always taken that the action should be second to the story and character development, which we get a lot of in season 3. Razor goes back to one of the fundemental questions posed back in the early days of this series, that being why did the human race deserve to survive the first Cylon war. Naturally, being that we are humans ourselves we sympathize with the human characters of this series. We want them to be the heroes, the protagonists, those who are morally justified. But the sorry truth is that our heroes are never quite so black and white, that there are a lot more gray areas then history would like us to acknowledge. But of course history is never written to display truth, it is written to display perspective. Interesting how it ties in with Adama's talk about how their logs will be the basis of future history. Rewards and punishments are given and withheld, but perhaps not because those rewards and punishments were deserved (or deserved to be avoided) but rather because the decision to administer or withhold these serves a greater purpose. We've seen it in "Hero", we heard Lee discuss it in the S3 finale, and certainly it seemed to be the basis for Shaw's promotion. History will record the actions of these men, of all men and women, as being in line with the standards of history, and in terms of BSG it will hold the good Commanders in esteem and the poor ones (such as Fiske and Gardner) in disgrace, but Lee could have added one more mistake to his list of forgiven errors while on the stand, that being of nuking his own tactical squad, including his helplessly hopelessly love Kara Thrace. All of his mistakes, all of Adama's mistakes, all of Cain's mistakes have been forgiven. Does holding one's faults in one's heart make us more noble for the burdens we bear, our did the Athena-8 say it right when talking face to face to Adama, in regards to his speech at the decommissioning ceremony, that perhaps because of all (their) our unrecorded sins, the human race truly does not deserve to survive.



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my only question is "what do we call the ships berthed next to Pegasus in the shipyard?".


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« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2007, 11:33:54 AM »
I must say that I really like Shaw's character. It seems she regrets her actions in the past, but nevertheless, she goes on.
One scene, that really touched me, was when Starbuck found out about her addiction and she put the injection back into the glass. I could really imagine what she must have felt like in that moment.
Her character is just full of flaws, imperfect like the other ones. But somehow I sympathize most with her :)

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But that thing about starback leading humanity to death really disturbs me. Why did the cylons jamm the transmission if it's just a lie? Maybe the fourth season will be referring to this point that Shaw wanted to tell something about starbuck. I mean, after he just appeared at the end of season 3 again, someone clearly will accuse her of beeing a cylon (if the fleet survives the incomming basestars and it better will be).
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great film :yes:
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« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2007, 01:34:15 PM »
Then why would the hybrid jam the transmission , when he warned Shaw... looks too much like a desperate survival act. I feel it was more of a trick to raise the blood pressure for S4...
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« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2007, 01:43:53 PM »
it may not have been the hybrid. could have been the toasters cos they didn't know any better. or even that the hybrid doesn;t want the others to know about it.