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« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2006, 04:07:35 PM »
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You can still be a Commander while being a ships captain in the USN.  While you get the "Captain" honorific ur offical rank however, i still commander.


Captain in fact is a rank in the Navy. The job they perform is commanding officer (CO); You must be thinking the civilian captains, which equals to the Skipper in the navy.
However, Adama's rank does not conflict with neither his command, nor the story line (as seen in S3 ep8-Hero).

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« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2006, 04:27:06 PM »
That wasnt my point there is a Commander(CDR silver oak leaf) rank and a Captain(CAPT silver eagle) rank in the USN.  A Commander can be placed in charge of a warship(generally somthing small like a Destroyer), if he does well he can advance to the rank of Captain(if he doesn't then his career is basically lame duck), but while commanding a warship he will still be refered to as "Captain" even though he is still technically a Commander.
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« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2006, 04:43:15 PM »
You're missing one important. canonical source on this matter -

The Royal Air Force, chaps... What ho, we did this stuff first ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Air_Force#Wings

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« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2006, 04:49:31 PM »
Pretty nice, but I think RDM based his stuff on American military, despite the RAF obviously being much more original and better organised! :p
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« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2006, 05:04:12 PM »
Agreed - it does make sense. I was just trying a minor wind-up. You caught me out lol...

However, the structure seems rather oddly arranged, for example: a Colonel being responsible to a Commander - although in Royal Navy tradition (back in the sailing ships days) the Captain of the vessel was not necessarily a captain in rank - often a Lt Cdr or a Commander, and the Major, Colonel etc (ie a more army-style rank) was in charge of the marine unit posted to the ship.
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« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2006, 05:34:29 PM »
Well, as I recall, RDM used the USN rank but adapting it to the clasic series because he didn't want to change Commander Adama to Captain Adama, and so on. So it's some strange type of hybrid.

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« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2006, 05:39:58 PM »
There are people in spaceships fighting robots-gone-evil with an infinite supply of alcohol and you're debating the reality of the rank structure?

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« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2006, 07:06:05 PM »
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There are people in spaceships fighting robots-gone-evil with an infinite supply of alcohol and you're debating the reality of the rank structure?
 
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« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2006, 07:38:06 PM »
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You're missing one important. canonical source on this matter -

The Royal Air Force, chaps... What ho, we did this stuff first ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Air_Force#Wings

Cricket anyone? Oh those darned gerry bombers have come to have a pop at old Blighty again... Scramble fighters then home for tea and scones :lol:
The RAF Officer ranks, names and insignia are based on the Royal Navy's.  The only difference is the lowest grade: Pilot Officer (with a very thin stripe) vs Midshipman (collar button and tab).

Flying Officer vs Sub Lt (same medium width stripe for both).  Flt Lt = Lt, Sqn Ldr = Lt Cdr, Wing Cdr = Crd, Group Capt = Capt, Air Cmdr = Cmdr, and so on.  The stripes are identical (except in colour and for the Navy's ring on the uppermost stripe) which all harks back to the RAF's heritage in the Royal Flying Corps (Army) and Fleet Air Arm (Navy).
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« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2006, 08:18:16 PM »
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You're missing one important. canonical source on this matter -

The Royal Air Force, chaps... What ho, we did this stuff first ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Air_Force#Wings

Cricket anyone? Oh those darned gerry bombers have come to have a pop at old Blighty again... Scramble fighters then home for tea and scones :lol:


Fascinating stuff after the earlier post about the RAF my curiosity was piqued. I love how we do things just to be different than the Brits, for instance in the USAF a group is smaller than a wing. :nod:

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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2006, 08:42:37 PM »
I would be interested in seeing how the USAF structure fits up against the French Air Force(at least the early WWI era),  the origins of the Army Air Corps latter the USAF has many ties back to the old Lafyette Escardrille of WWI.  American pilots volunteered to fly for the French and those veterans such as Raul Luffberry played a significant role in training the new US flyers(such as Rickenbacker).  If the US carried over more of the French structure then the British, well we know how the French and the Brits get along.
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« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2006, 08:56:33 PM »
my two cent is that a Wing is made up by many Squadrons but in BSG it seems they are AirGroups which is same as a wing i believe


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« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2006, 10:23:54 PM »
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There are people in spaceships fighting robots-gone-evil with an infinite supply of alcohol and you're debating the reality of the rank structure?

Deary me :p


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« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2006, 11:35:19 PM »
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I would be interested in seeing how the USAF structure fits up against the French Air Force(at least the early WWI era),  the origins of the Army Air Corps latter the USAF has many ties back to the old Lafyette Escardrille of WWI.  American pilots volunteered to fly for the French and those veterans such as Raul Luffberry played a significant role in training the new US flyers(such as Rickenbacker).  If the US carried over more of the French structure then the British, well we know how the French and the Brits get along.



Good point I hadn't thought about that.

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« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2006, 11:36:12 PM »
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my two cent is that a Wing is made up by many Squadrons but in BSG it seems they are AirGroups which is same as a wing i believe


In the Navy airgroup and airwing are pretty interchangeble.