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« Reply #60 on: November 06, 2006, 06:47:26 PM »
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Ok, i got that. It's not a question of babysitting, it's a question of responding to a change in the forums, a social change. I don't have the numbers, but since last year the number of members have grown very fast. What happens when you have a large number of members ? You have to set up more rules because more problems arise. It's a natural evolution on every online community. Staff wise, it means more work and more ways to solve things, so making changes turns almost an inevitable thing.

The problem as i see it - and answering your points - is : A) Not everyone here is mature B) Many people are not around FS2 community and probably they're used to other kind of moderation on other forums. Probably you whish things were different, but you need to understand this issue as the result of a social change, rather than denying the change and expecting things to run smooth as they've run until now.

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To respond to B: ok, they may be used to other kinds of moderation, but this is the way we moderate on our forums - so they can either get used to it or we'll have problems. Why should we change what we like about our forums and what the mature users on our forums value, so that we cater to the lowest common denominator of trash from other people's forums? If they come here, we expect them to handle themselves in a respectful and mature manner, otherwise their posts get locked and whatnot. If they can't deal with that, maybe they should go back to the scifi.com boards.
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« Reply #61 on: November 06, 2006, 07:03:26 PM »
I understand this is a private forum and the staff can do whatever they want. In fact, we agree that something must be done if people don't follow the staff orientation (what a heck, i do agree completely with your post). But back on topic about this issue: It's about creating a clear set of rules, so they can be applied without ambiguity.

The spoiler policy is a good start. It has a purpose towards fighting a problem, but if it isn't clear enough and objective enough, people will start exploiting its loopholes. If there's ambiguity, be sure it will be exploited.

Anyway, try reading this guide. It's a "must have" on any forum staff ;)
http://www.rheingold.com/texts/artonlinehost.html

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« Reply #62 on: November 06, 2006, 07:12:34 PM »
This is the Moderator Release of our Administrative Rules & Guidelines (link: public release).
Many thanks to Howard Rheingold?s The Art of Hosting Good Conversations Online.  

Read and understand it, you will be held responsible for acting accordingly!

On Banning: Any user who violates site or specific forum policy, including those who ignore personal direction given to them by a moderator/administrator, will be banned according to the following guidelines.  While we will do our best to be fair, we do reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason:
  • A first offense for minor infractions will result in a written warning by moderator/administrator either via Private Message, or in the thread where the incident occurred. Immediate bans are often issued without warning in circumstances involving SPAM, explicitly illegal activity, excessive harassment, or any behavior deemed malicious.
  • Upon second offense, the user will receive a temporary ban of anywhere from 1-15 days with: (1) a brief explanation of the reason behind the ban and (2) the duration of said ban.
  • Repeat offenders who continue to violate policy and/or administrative direction, will be permanently banned.
  • Every user may contest their ban through our Support System.  Please include any and all relevant information and links where applicable.  While we reserve the right to allow certain users readmittance, do not expect to be given a second chance if you have been perm banned.
On Puppets (aka Multiple Accounts): Puppets are allowed only under two circumstances:
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On Harassment & Respect:  Harassment of other members will not be tolerated at the Forum, and may result in an immediate ban depending on severity.  If you have a problem with another member, please make your peace with them or simply keep your distance.  If you cannot behave in a respectful manner, keep your words to yourself.  Failure to comply will result in administrative action at the sole discretion of the staff.  All members are encouraged to PM a moderator or administrator with relevant information if they cannot resolve their conflict privately.


On Posting Private Messages: Private Messages are meant to be kept private.  We will not tolerate users posting discussions held in private correpondance, onto the public boards.  Any private messages that are sent to a moderator or admin may be reviewed by the collective staff, but will never be posted in the public forum.


On Post-Whoring & Flooding: Post Whores are those who create multiple posts of little or no content, which fail to contribute to the topic at hand, or whom create multiple threads in rapid succession, in effect "flooding" a forum.  Post Whores may or may not engage in such behavior to intentionally drive up their post count.  Members engaging in post whoredom will be processed in accordance with the On Banning guidelines above.


On Drama Queens & Hate Magnets: When someone gets on the bad side of the community and continues to act out, bringing the wrath of our more vocal members upon themselves and generally becoming a detriment to the health and harmony of the boards, they will be processed in accordance with the On Banning guidelines above.  Even if you feel that you are in the right, sometimes it is best to just let things go.  It is expected that you will respect any such direction given to you by a staff member.


On Closing Threads:  Threads are to be closed when they are violating the general site or specific forum policy to a degree that is not detrimental to any member of the membership, yet still goes against the rules, or when there are multiple instances of a similar topic in the active thread-list.  Often, the purpose of closing a thread rather than dumping it, is to set an example to the membership that such threads will not be tolerated. Questionable threads may be temporarily closed as a preventative measure until a final decision has been reached via staff discussion.  Your first course of action if you believe your thread was closed without cause, is to contact the staff member who closed your thread directly.  Failing that, email an administrator or use our Support System.


On Editing Posts: Posts will be edited if the material in them violates any general site or specific forum policy, yet resides within a developed thread of considerable value.  Edited posts will be accompanied by explanation of the action in the post itself, and via private message if further explanation is deemed necessary.  
  • If a user manipulates their post after a moderator has edited it as a means to negate the administrative action, said user will receive an immediate temporary or permanent ban dependant upon the situation at the sole discretion of the administration.
On Deleting Accounts: We aim to preserve our history and continuity in discussion by ensuring that no user accounts are deleted unecessarily. Thus, do not post anything that you think you may later regret, as in most cases we will deny any request to delete your account and post history.


On Deleting Posts & Dumping Threads:
  • Threads which provide potentially harmful information, illegal information/advice, are a direct threat to another user, or serve no useful purpose in a forum as decided by the forum moderator, will be dumped.
  • Moderators may delete any individual post so long as they include a public explanation of their action within the deleted post, or via Private Message.  
  • As a preventative measure, it is always acceptable to close/lock threads in question until the administration is available for comment.
  • If you believe your thread was dumped unjustly, you may contact an administrator for review and possible reinstatement no later than three days after the dumping.
Related Documents: Staff members failing to heed the following behavioral guidelines may have their privileges revoked:
  • Model the behavior you want others to emulate: read carefully and post entertainingly, informatively, and economically, acknowledge other people by name, assume good will, assert trust until convinced otherwise, add knowledge, offer help, be slow to anger, apologize when wrong, politely ask for clarification, and exercise patience when your temper flares.
  • Nurture the community memory, pointing newcomers to archives, providing links to related conversations, past and present, hunting down resources to add to the collective pool of knowledge -- and teaching others to do it.  Be the memory of the conference -- point and link to relevant info in the past or elsewhere in the community. Encourage others to search, retrieve and link info that has been valued by other members of the forum and praise people who do so.
  • Use Aikido: One ounce of elegance and grace is worth ten pounds of argument. You can charm or seduce discussions back on topic, and conflicts away from the brink of brawl, but you can't force them.
  • The way hosts respond to public conflict with citizens, especially the first such conflicts, provides the opportunity to wield the most powerful tool for modeling civil discourse. Do it right, and the community can absorb the lesson. It's also the most dangerous time, if you react angrily, unfairly, or even sarcastically, you?ll end up feeding a downward emotional spiral.
  • Deliberately add a time delay on your emotional responses before you make any public posting.
  • Bring your situation to the administration if you are angry, puzzled, or otherwise uncertain about what to do.
  • Bend over backwards to be fair and civil when challenged.
  • Force backfires on authority online. You have to persuade and pull because pushing is an automatic loss for authority.
  • Welcome new people.
On Moderation: Moderators are volunteers dedicating enough of their time to check into their respective forums multiple times weekly.  
  • In an effort to improve mod productivity, each individual is restricted to moderating three or less forums at any given time.  Rare exceptions can be made for extremely low-traffic forums.
  • Moderators must exhibit Staff Unity.  Staff members are required to withhold inner conflict from the public eye and support each other at all times.  Any disagreements must be worked out via Private Message or open discussion in the Mod Forum.  
  • Of particular importance is clear communication.  Anytime you take diciplinary action against a user, you must explain to them why you have done so, in addition to including this explanation in either their User Notes, or the PM Warning Log.
  • Moderators failing to follow these and all aforementioned guidelines may have their privileges revoked.
As a staff member of The Forum, you must realize that you hold an important position.  You help to form this community and your actions are weighed heavily in the minds of the membership.  Do your best to keep a rational and objective stance at all costs.  You feed the behavior of challengers when you lash out at them.  You should catalyze, facilitate, and nurture threads, but let the community take its course.  Be involved, but don?t oppress.  Any questions should be brought up in the staff forum or in private with the administration.  With some teamwork and dedication, we can keep this the best damn message board on the 'net :cool:

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« Reply #63 on: November 06, 2006, 07:13:47 PM »
If you need it in black and white here's the real policy we operate. MatthewPapa runs this site. He can ban anyone he likes for any reason he likes and there isn't a goddamn thing anyone can do about it. If he decides you're a wanker he no longer wishes to associate with then you're gone.

 The mods and admins work as his deputies. We can ban anyone we like (except Matt or another mod) for any reason we like. If we want to ban someone for being a wanker then we'll do it. And there isn't a goddamn thing any of you can do about it if Matt agrees that they should be gone.

Sleep tight kiddies ;)




As for the spoiler policy thats just a list of things that should help you decide whether you're doing something that might make us think you're an idiot.

They're not a list of rules because we don't ban people based on crimes. We ban people cause we're sick of them. Either we're sick of them causing us problems directly or we're sick of them causing problems that we have to clean up. That's why a list of infractions is pointless. Forums in general don't work that way and GW certainly doesn't.

Suppose someone says "You get a good look at the thrusters on the Viper Mlk II when it shoots that raider in episode 3x06". Now technically that's a spoiler. I very much doubt anyone would care about it. But write an absolute list of rules and you'd get some idiot turning up saying  "He broke the rules. Rules are important. You should smite him"

That's not how it works. If the user had posted a real spoiler he'd have annoyed me. As it is the person trying to get him into trouble is the one who annoys me cause he's just causing trouble for no good reason.

Which gets us back to the real policy I wrote earlier. Don't piss of the mods and admins.


Incidentally from the site you MAIA linked to.

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Keep the rules as few as possible. Keep them simple and based on ordinary human courtesy.


Note the difference between this and a long list of infractions.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2006, 07:22:21 PM by karajorma »

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« Reply #64 on: November 06, 2006, 07:14:28 PM »
Honestly, I don't think anyone would ever read a bunch of forum rules that were that long and intricate - I know I wouldn't, and it would probably put me off of a forum if they had one. It conveys a hard-ass, hard-line attitude, rather than the fun and joshing attitude of a forum with a very loose set of rules.

EDIT: Kara beat me to the reply button. I agree with what he says :)
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« Reply #65 on: November 06, 2006, 07:19:04 PM »
Anyway, if anyone on the staff is interested, this are the rules and guidelines where i moderate (links have been edited) :

This is the Moderator Release of our Administrative Rules & Guidelines (link: public release).
Many thanks to Howard Rheingold?s The Art of Hosting Good Conversations Online.  

Read and understand it, you will be held responsible for acting accordingly!

On Banning: Any user who violates site or specific forum policy, including those who ignore personal direction given to them by a moderator/administrator, will be banned according to the following guidelines.  While we will do our best to be fair, we do reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason:
  • A first offense for minor infractions will result in a written warning by moderator/administrator either via Private Message, or in the thread where the incident occurred. Immediate bans are often issued without warning in circumstances involving SPAM, explicitly illegal activity, excessive harassment, or any behavior deemed malicious.
  • Upon second offense, the user will receive a temporary ban of anywhere from 1-15 days with: (1) a brief explanation of the reason behind the ban and (2) the duration of said ban.
  • Repeat offenders who continue to violate policy and/or administrative direction, will be permanently banned.
  • Every user may contest their ban through our Support System.  Please include any and all relevant information and links where applicable.  While we reserve the right to allow certain users readmittance, do not expect to be given a second chance if you have been perm banned.
On Puppets (aka Multiple Accounts): Puppets are allowed only under two circumstances:
  • Circumstance A
  • Special circumstance
On Harassment & Respect:  Harassment of other members will not be tolerated at the Forum, and may result in an immediate ban depending on severity.  If you have a problem with another member, please make your peace with them or simply keep your distance.  If you cannot behave in a respectful manner, keep your words to yourself.  Failure to comply will result in administrative action at the sole discretion of the staff.  All members are encouraged to PM a moderator or administrator with relevant information if they cannot resolve their conflict privately.


On Posting Private Messages: Private Messages are meant to be kept private.  We will not tolerate users posting discussions held in private correpondance, onto the public boards.  Any private messages that are sent to a moderator or admin may be reviewed by the collective staff, but will never be posted in the public forum.


On Post-Whoring & Flooding: Post Whores are those who create multiple posts of little or no content, which fail to contribute to the topic at hand, or whom create multiple threads in rapid succession, in effect "flooding" a forum.  Post Whores may or may not engage in such behavior to intentionally drive up their post count.  Members engaging in post whoredom will be processed in accordance with the On Banning guidelines above.


On Drama Queens & Hate Magnets: When someone gets on the bad side of the community and continues to act out, bringing the wrath of our more vocal members upon themselves and generally becoming a detriment to the health and harmony of the boards, they will be processed in accordance with the On Banning guidelines above.  Even if you feel that you are in the right, sometimes it is best to just let things go.  It is expected that you will respect any such direction given to you by a staff member.


On Closing Threads:  Threads are to be closed when they are violating the general site or specific forum policy to a degree that is not detrimental to any member of the membership, yet still goes against the rules, or when there are multiple instances of a similar topic in the active thread-list.  Often, the purpose of closing a thread rather than dumping it, is to set an example to the membership that such threads will not be tolerated. Questionable threads may be temporarily closed as a preventative measure until a final decision has been reached via staff discussion.  Your first course of action if you believe your thread was closed without cause, is to contact the staff member who closed your thread directly.  Failing that, email an administrator or use our Support System.


On Editing Posts: Posts will be edited if the material in them violates any general site or specific forum policy, yet resides within a developed thread of considerable value.  Edited posts will be accompanied by explanation of the action in the post itself, and via private message if further explanation is deemed necessary.  
  • If a user manipulates their post after a moderator has edited it as a means to negate the administrative action, said user will receive an immediate temporary or permanent ban dependant upon the situation at the sole discretion of the administration.
On Deleting Accounts: We aim to preserve our history and continuity in discussion by ensuring that no user accounts are deleted unecessarily. Thus, do not post anything that you think you may later regret, as in most cases we will deny any request to delete your account and post history.


On Deleting Posts & Dumping Threads:
  • Threads which provide potentially harmful information, illegal information/advice, are a direct threat to another user, or serve no useful purpose in a forum as decided by the forum moderator, will be dumped.
  • Moderators may delete any individual post so long as they include a public explanation of their action within the deleted post, or via Private Message.  
  • As a preventative measure, it is always acceptable to close/lock threads in question until the administration is available for comment.
  • If you believe your thread was dumped unjustly, you may contact an administrator for review and possible reinstatement no later than three days after the dumping.
Related Documents: Staff members failing to heed the following behavioral guidelines may have their privileges revoked:
  • Model the behavior you want others to emulate: read carefully and post entertainingly, informatively, and economically, acknowledge other people by name, assume good will, assert trust until convinced otherwise, add knowledge, offer help, be slow to anger, apologize when wrong, politely ask for clarification, and exercise patience when your temper flares.
  • Nurture the community memory, pointing newcomers to archives, providing links to related conversations, past and present, hunting down resources to add to the collective pool of knowledge -- and teaching others to do it.  Be the memory of the conference -- point and link to relevant info in the past or elsewhere in the community. Encourage others to search, retrieve and link info that has been valued by other members of the forum and praise people who do so.
  • Use Aikido: One ounce of elegance and grace is worth ten pounds of argument. You can charm or seduce discussions back on topic, and conflicts away from the brink of brawl, but you can't force them.
  • The way hosts respond to public conflict with citizens, especially the first such conflicts, provides the opportunity to wield the most powerful tool for modeling civil discourse. Do it right, and the community can absorb the lesson. It's also the most dangerous time, if you react angrily, unfairly, or even sarcastically, you?ll end up feeding a downward emotional spiral.
  • Deliberately add a time delay on your emotional responses before you make any public posting.
  • Bring your situation to the administration if you are angry, puzzled, or otherwise uncertain about what to do.
  • Bend over backwards to be fair and civil when challenged.
  • Force backfires on authority online. You have to persuade and pull because pushing is an automatic loss for authority.
  • Welcome new people.
On Moderation: Moderators are volunteers dedicating enough of their time to check into their respective forums multiple times weekly.  
  • In an effort to improve mod productivity, each individual is restricted to moderating three or less forums at any given time.  Rare exceptions can be made for extremely low-traffic forums.
  • Moderators must exhibit Staff Unity.  Staff members are required to withhold inner conflict from the public eye and support each other at all times.  Any disagreements must be worked out via Private Message or open discussion in the Mod Forum.  
  • Of particular importance is clear communication.  Anytime you take diciplinary action against a user, you must explain to them why you have done so, in addition to including this explanation in either their User Notes, or the PM Warning Log.
  • Moderators failing to follow these and all aforementioned guidelines may have their privileges revoked.
As a staff member of The Forum, you must realize that you hold an important position.  You help to form this community and your actions are weighed heavily in the minds of the membership.  Do your best to keep a rational and objective stance at all costs.  You feed the behavior of challengers when you lash out at them.  You should catalyze, facilitate, and nurture threads, but let the community take its course.  Be involved, but don?t oppress.  Any questions should be brought up in the staff forum or in private with the administration.  With some teamwork and dedication, we can keep this the best damn message board on the 'net :cool:

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« Reply #66 on: November 06, 2006, 07:31:24 PM »
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If you need it in black and white here's the real policy we operate. MatthewPapa runs this site. He can ban anyone he likes for any reason he likes and there isn't a goddamn thing anyone can do about it. If he decides you're a wanker he no longer wishes to associate with then you're gone.

The mods and admins work as his deputies. We can ban anyone we like (except Matt or another mod) for any reason we like. If we want to ban someone for being a wanker then we'll do it. And there isn't a goddamn thing any of you can do about it if Matt agrees that they should be gone.

As for the spoiler policy thats just a list of things that should help you decide whether you're doing something that might make us think you're an idiot.

They're not a list of rules because we don't ban people based on crimes. We ban people cause we're sick of them. Either we're sick of them causing us problems directly or we're sick of them causing problems that we have to clean up. That's why a list of infractions is pointless. Forums in general don't work that way and GW certainly doesn't.


Any chance we can get just that part right there added to the spoiler policy, so people understand a little better why the spoiler policy is there and what it means?

It serves your purpose too, Kara - it lets them know the spoiler policy is not a hardline group of rules, but instead a list of guidelines, but that their can still be consequences.

That's all I wanted to hear you say, right there. That there would be consequences, and what they are.
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« Reply #67 on: November 06, 2006, 07:40:11 PM »
Thing is I couldn't give a crap about anyone stupid enough to not know that you don't walk into someone's house and piss on their TV.

Anyone stupid enough to not know to behave themselves on a forum isn't going to be convinced by a post of mine. They're a lost cause. The spoiler policy is mainly for people who have some common sense but didn't actually realise that there might be people who'd be annoyed by people posting threads with spoilers in them all over the place.

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« Reply #68 on: November 06, 2006, 07:51:47 PM »
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If you need it in black and white here's the real policy we operate. MatthewPapa runs this site. He can ban anyone he likes for any reason he likes and there isn't a goddamn thing anyone can do about it. If he decides you're a wanker he no longer wishes to associate with then you're gone.

 The mods and admins work as his deputies. We can ban anyone we like (except Matt or another mod) for any reason we like. If we want to ban someone for being a wanker then we'll do it. And there isn't a goddamn thing any of you can do about it if Matt agrees that they should be gone.

Sleep tight kiddies ;)


Nothing new here, been there, done that. The issue here is professionalism and organization. If you don't mind about those, then i have nothing else to say.



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As for the spoiler policy thats just a list of things that should help you decide whether you're doing something that might make us think you're an idiot.

They're not a list of rules because we don't ban people based on crimes. We ban people cause we're sick of them. Either we're sick of them causing us problems directly or we're sick of them causing problems that we have to clean up. That's why a list of infractions is pointless. Forums in general don't work that way and GW certainly doesn't.


 So, there's a crime after all: when someone makes you sick of him/her. Rules don't exist to ban people. Banning people can be a result of an infraction or not. Rules exist to organize any community, be it in real life or on any internet forum. It doesn't matter if its a dictatorship, a democracy whatever. If that's the way GW works, then make a TOS with it, and make sure people know what kind of ground they're steping into. Isn't it fair enough ?

Btw, if you think forums in general work that way, then you're far from truth. Most people don't even read the disclaimer when they sign up, it doesn't mean it's not there. Besides, having a TOS is a plus, not a minus. If you're mature enough and if the TOS is well written, you'll probably not even know it exists if there's good moderation.

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Suppose someone says "You get a good look at the thrusters on the Viper Mlk II when it shoots that raider in episode 3x06". Now technically that's a spoiler. I very much doubt anyone would care about it. But write an absolute list of rules and you'd get some idiot turning up saying  "He broke the rules. Rules are important. You should smite him"

That's not how it works. If the user had posted a real spoiler he'd have annoyed me. As it is the person trying to get him into trouble is the one who annoys me cause he's just causing trouble for no good reason.


The application of rules can be flexible. Making sure the TOS reflects that is always a good move. Anyway, rules itself are moderation. Their application is always dependent on the administration. Therefore, i see no problem in writting the stuff. In fact, that would make people aware of how things are run here.

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« Reply #69 on: November 06, 2006, 07:58:42 PM »
Forums in general function on set rules and treat their members like lesser citizens, some of them even having one minor infraction equal a ban. This forum is different, and I think most of us can agree that the freedom afforded to us here is a good thing - it just comes with the responsibility of being mature enough to handle it.
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« Reply #70 on: November 06, 2006, 08:13:13 PM »
I quite understand you, and i know there are forums restricting people freedom on several ways. But it's not the rules themselves that reduce their freedom, it's who apply those rules and the way they apply them. There might be many reasons for that, but if you got no reason to be like those forums, i don't see how applying rules will take away the freedom we got here. Again, it's always up to the administration the way they want to implement the rules. Every moderator has a differnet style and will surely see things his own way. In fact, the moderator deals with the rule, not the opposite.

Regarding maturity and responsibility, what can i say, i'm 31 and i have a family to feed. But this isn't about myself, but about others that don't have such maturity. They think it's fun, or they don't know how a bbs work, or they're not socially gifted, whatever . It's a question of lack of information. Not having rules just make things worst because people don't have an objective knowledge about what's permitted and what's not. That's my whole point.

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« Reply #71 on: November 06, 2006, 08:28:45 PM »
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« Reply #72 on: November 06, 2006, 08:30:12 PM »
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Nothing new here, been there, done that. The issue here is professionalism and organization. If you don't mind about those, then i have nothing else to say.


You can run a professionally organised forum and still keep to the rules I posted. What I posted is nothing to do with how the forum works on the surface. What I'm explaining is why it is quite right that some people can break the rules a couple of times and get away with it while others can't.

In real life you got to court and people plead their innocence. That's what happens when you have a set of rules and try to enforce them. And it's a completely unworkable system for a forum. On a forum the admin looks at a thread, decides if there has been any infraction and punishes those who committed it.

You published a whole long list of crimes and punishments but the simple fact is that any admin with common sense doesn't need to read that to know how to deal with troublemakers and PITA. If you want to forum nazi your own forums that's fine but that's not the way things work on here because I'd rather have an informal forum where people aren't treated like idiots the second they enter.

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Btw, if you think forums in general work that way, then you're far from truth.


They all work that way. I've never been to a forum that presents you with a list of demands on entry along with punishments if you commit infractions. Show me one that does and still works.

They all work along the lines of "play nice and the admins won't have to bother you"

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 Most people don't even read the disclaimer when they sign up, it doesn't mean it's not there. Besides, having a TOS is a plus, not a minus. If you're mature enough and if the TOS is well written, you'll probably not even know it exists if there's good moderation.


So I'm supposed to waste time that I could have spent working on BtRL to write this TOS that no one will read and will merely tell the admins to do what they are already doing?

What a waste of fucking time! There already is a TOS covering 90% of what you need to know. The other 10% is in the damn spoiler policy that started all this.

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The application of rules can be flexible. Making sure the TOS reflects that is always a good move. Anyway, rules itself are moderation. Their application is always dependent on the administration. Therefore, i see no problem in writting the stuff. In fact, that would make people aware of how things are run here.

And that is exactly why I used words like might and can in the first damn place. So that I'm not laying down in blood a set of rigid laws which must be adhered to but instead explaining why these actions are unacceptable.

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« Reply #73 on: November 06, 2006, 08:38:32 PM »
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« Reply #74 on: November 06, 2006, 08:52:14 PM »
lucky for me or unlucky i'll never do a spoiler as i dont have sky and even if i had the uk always half a season or more behind you lovy american fellows grrrrr


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