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Title: Theories [SPOILER HEAVY]
Post by: Ransom Arceihn on July 28, 2005, 02:04:32 PM
Well I don't know how much attention this thread's going to see, but anyway...

If anyone wants to discuss their thoughts or theories regarding the campaign's story, here would be a good place for that. There seems to be two main ideas on the Transcendant's origins at the moment:

Connection to the T-V War:
Quote from: WMCoolmon
I looked at that as, the Transcendant trusted you because it was able to actually communicate with you. And because maybe it couldn't really kill itself or even control itself...when Omega 1 mentioned that the Transcendant was reliving its 'last memories', I figured that it was experimented on during the later stages of the Terran-Vasudan war, and was slowly and unconsciously reforming the universe into its memories of that.

Connection to Sync:
Quote from: ngtm1r
I thought the Transcendant was Alpha 1 from Sync, actually.


I'm interested to see what ideas people can come up with. There's a lot of little clues and things scattered throughout the campaign - for instance, did anyone notice the Anukets?
Title: Theories [SPOILER HEAVY]
Post by: Taristin on July 28, 2005, 03:26:57 PM
I just ruined the story for myself by reading this thread... :(
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Post by: phreak on July 28, 2005, 04:06:21 PM
im guessing the transcend was some terran-vasudan-shivan hybrid that was created and hid away during the hades rebellion.  he was probably moved to some small installation in the system where you first encounter him.  he escaped not too long before the story and started absorbing everything he encountered (installation, smuggler base).
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Post by: AqueousShadow on July 28, 2005, 08:15:28 PM
I don't believe he was any sort of hybrid of the races at all. Rather, I believe the Transcendant was a product of humanity and of humanity alone. Now what KIND of product is the real question. What exactly is he? Saya (Omega 1) suggests that he was once a human being that transformed into this "Transcendant."

He was also labeled "humanity's greatest achievement and failure combined."

But much of it is left in the hands of ambiguity, seeing as Omega wing probably only passed themselves off as understanding the Transcendant and his origins, and not truly knowing anything about him. They just seemed like a bunch of crazed fanatics, really, unless he of course was drawing them to him like the pirates and civilians.

But if that's the case, then that would mean Sunder would have been drawn to him as well, and surely would have gone mad. However, there is a striking difference between Sunder and everyone else going for the Transcendant--he isn't insane. He's probably the only one who understands the Transcendant, because the fanatics came to the Transcendant because they were drawn to him and they were awaiting the "inevitable" end, their marriage with the darkness. But Sunder, on the other hand, could hear the Dark One, could understand him, and knew that he needed liberation. Sunder gave him that.
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Post by: pyro-manic on July 28, 2005, 09:09:55 PM
Perhaps the Transcendent was once an inhabitant of End, before whatever it was happened that laid waste to it. Perhaps he was trying to undo the destruction, so that he could go home?

Just throwing thoughts out here, nothing particularly made me think of this...

Great campaign, by the way - you're a superb storyteller.  :nod::yes:
Title: Theories [SPOILER HEAVY]
Post by: Duelron1001 on July 29, 2005, 08:59:04 AM
the Transcendant is in sync, you have to look for him though. He's in the first mission as well, the nebular's color is a good give away. He's in the subspace mission when the freighters get attacked in there. He's there again when you deliver the cargo, when everyone's subspace drives go crazy... connection anyone?

I belive that the Transcendant and Sync are somehow related, how I am not sure yet. It appears that the Transcendant has some kind of subspace powers, which could be linked with the reseach being done at the same place where sync was orginaly found by the ... er what's it's name Deimos class corvette that you go arround with in sync. I feel that the Transcendant is some how a mix between human and a subspace drive (maybe even a shivan as well for good measure). This would explain the teleportion power he seems to have, and how the orginal research station(s) went missing.

Sync is a object of great power, one that can easly control subspace. If the Transcendant is in anyway connected to subspace (either being part of a subspace drive or a shivan) then he is likely to be drawn to it. This seems to be true as a cargo containor (which looks rather like sync) is seen in Transcend. Perhapes it is just part of the Transcendant's memory. Something went on in that first nebular in sync.
Title: Theories [SPOILER HEAVY]
Post by: Allmote on July 31, 2005, 12:45:11 AM
There is a connection between Sync and the Transcendant.

If you listen to the transmissions of the Transcendant and compare them with the messages in Sync, you will notice that some of them are the same. Memories of the Transcendant?

In one mission the Transcendant transmitted something like:
"...too....luck but I'd rather take my chances with the..."
In Sync, when the Persistence is powering up again to leave Capella, Phi 2 says:
"Me too, good luck, but i'd rather take my chances with the Shivans"

Or in the last Mission of Transcend:
"Doesn't his death bother you?"
"...isn't our time to die..."
Phi 4 said the first to Alpha 3 in after the Ester was destroyed,
the second said Alpha 3 when the Ereikheten arrived.

But there are also some other things. The Sync nebulas look like the one in Transcend. The so called second Terran-Vasudan War at the end of Transcend, a reflection of the Persistence and the fighters being chased by the Vasudans. Are these the memories of the Transcendant, of what happend in Sync? Maybe the Shivans would have appeared if the Transcendant had more time to alter reality.

We have the same messages in both campaigns, the same nebulas, a reflection of events, I believe the Transcendant is Sync. Didn't Omega say that "it" was the GTVA's greatest triumph and failure, a triumph because it could do mass scale jumps, create a subspace damperfield and manipulate subspace, but also a failure because they lost the control? It all makes sense for me.

But two things still bother me, what happened to the Carthage?
And the end of the Sync campaign? If they had doomed the GTVA, how could it still exist in Transcend? Could it be that the Transcendant had altered reality before Transcend or was there some kind of restoring of reality already?

sry for typos and misspelling, english isn't my mother language :P
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Post by: phreak on July 31, 2005, 04:59:10 AM
i need to replay sync.
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Post by: Nuclear on July 31, 2005, 05:09:36 AM
As do I... you do seem to have plenty of good points there though. Never thought of half of those myself. :
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Post by: AqueousShadow on July 31, 2005, 09:26:07 PM
Very interesting connections you've presented, Allmote, but now I think I have to go play Sync, and a bunch of other campaigns. I haven't really played any campaigns around here besides Transcend...which I think should change. Soon.

And about this Persistence ship you mention. The Generation in Transcend was actually named Persistence before Ransom decided to change its name to Persistence. It's evident in two missions, and Ransom called it a "Freudian slip." I think that sealed it for me. Sync --> Transcend.
Title: Theories [SPOILER HEAVY]
Post by: Mefusta on August 04, 2005, 06:05:26 AM
True, the other instance being when the GVC Canyenus (or something along those lines) exits Subspace an proceeds to announce "We are engaging the Persistance"...
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Post by: Nuclear on December 07, 2005, 01:43:00 AM
*revives thread*

After going through both Transcend and Sync, I've come up with an explanation, methinks.

I've convinced myself that the Transcendant is Alpha 3 from Sync. I remember Alpha 3particularly saying how he wanted to "go back and make it all right", and watching him slowly lose his mind over the course of the last episode made me think that he (or Beta 2, possibly) was about to achieve Transcendance in some form or another.

When Alpha 3 became Transcendant, he seemed to be able to go back in time, but this time in Transcendant form to alter the results of Sync (namely, the Shivan invasion of the GTVA). The nebula in Transcend, specifically where the cargo was found, is quite possibly the same nebula from the beginning of Sync, the one which the Tether tried to flee through the unstable node (the same that was only stable enough for a cruiser).

My theory regarding this is that this node was the focus of the Transcendant's mission into the past. He wanted to collapse the node to prevent Alpha from Sync from ever returning to GTVA space, and therefore not allowing any of the events of Sync to be played out, and therefore, the GTVA is saved from the Shivans. This is evident at the rewinding of time near the end of Transcend, as the events that made Sync transpire no longer played out, and therefore there was no need for any of the events in Transcend to have played out the way they did.

The only hole I can really find is why they would have taken Marcell at the end of Transcend the second time. Joseph (the Omicron wingman whom Marcell was replacing) wouldn't have died as a result of the Transcendant, and therefore there would be no need for Marcell to be recruited into the 103rd.

Time travel and altering time makes my head hurt.

Time for some tea.
Title: Theories [SPOILER HEAVY]
Post by: Goober5000 on December 07, 2005, 03:54:40 AM
Quote from: Nuclear
The only hole I can really find is why they would have taken Marcell at the end of Transcend the second time.
They didn't.  The mission fades out instead of having you encounter the 103rd.
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Post by: WMCoolmon on December 09, 2005, 09:38:57 AM
I have this feeling that we haven't met the Transcendant yet in Sync. Either someone is going to have to reinvent themselves, or we're going to meet someone new.
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Post by: WMCoolmon on December 26, 2005, 10:35:26 AM
Hmm...this is interesting...it's from right before the Transcendant brings you into subspace. Notice anything familiar?
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Post by: Nuclear on December 26, 2005, 03:29:27 PM
That and 95% of the Transcendant's messages remind the player of lines spoken by various characters either in logs or missions in Sync.

Curiously, I've never really noticed that before. I need to go play those last few missions again...
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Post by: Qwer on February 14, 2006, 04:54:48 PM
I wonder how would Shivans react for Transcendant's influence. Would they become slaves like Chondral or Generarion?
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Post by: Fenrir on February 15, 2006, 10:19:12 PM
Who knows? It seems they would have been consumed by him like the rest of the universe was about to be. Though I wonder if they'd be able to use their subspace HAX to try killing him or something.
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Post by: Nuclear on February 15, 2006, 10:23:38 PM
Perhaps they did try... :nervous: [/vague hint]
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Post by: Qwer on February 20, 2006, 11:07:00 AM
Now my theory.

Remember red nebula in the end of Sync? Presistance found Triton class freighter, which towed it away before. It was almost destroyed. Earlier they found Phi 4. It was also damaged, but less than Triton, because he jumped out later than Triton. Phi 2 jumped as the last one, but he wasn't found.

I think Phi 2 is Transcendant.
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Post by: Qwer on February 26, 2006, 01:04:24 AM
Double post to get attention.

I've played through Transcendant once more. I've seen some things directly connected to Sync.

First is in mission in nebula-Antarens. There are 3 wings coming with Generation. Alpha and Beta are from Sync. Gamma wing has been killed during travell to Vega for awnsers.

Second in one of logs Sunder writes about begin hired to escort poseidons with cargo. If Transcendant is Phi 2, then he probably gave Sunder his memories.

Beside this all story is very blurry. Remember begin of Sync? Maybe the pirates, which attacked you were Chondral's smugglers, and that mysterious Myrmidon wing was from Omega's group?

I don't see any connections beetwen Sync device and Transcendant. I think after Phi 2-Transcendant change he changed time and everything was like Freespace 2 main champaing. Transcendant's appears in nebula, subspace and exchange could be his initial influence to time before complete change of history.
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Post by: Nuclear on February 26, 2006, 01:22:04 AM
The only problem is that Phi 2 wasn't hired to escort the freighters--Alpha wing was. Phi was simply ordered to escort the Persistence.

And remember that cargo container that Omicron finds in the nebula with the Chondrall? In Sync, the cargo and the Farae disappear in the long purple nebula mission, so I think that those two events may have similar roots or purposes. The Transcendant is in Sync as well--he's the mysterious fighter that the Vasudan corvette detects in the first mission, and chances are he's the one that Alpha 1 is sent to hunt in subspace.
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Post by: Qwer on February 26, 2006, 09:28:07 AM
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The only problem is that Phi 2 wasn't hired to escort the freighters--Alpha wing was. Phi was simply ordered to escort the Persistence.


I don't remember Sync well, but i think Alpha 3 told Phi about it.

I want to correct myself: initial influence was also present after exchange and warp out. Examples: no planets in Vasudan systems, strange derbis fields and those "ghost fighters" arriving and departing during following Quetesh and founding Comm Nav Bouy.
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Post by: Nuclear on February 26, 2006, 01:25:10 PM
For some reason, I've always seen a connection between the fact that there are no planets in the first galaxy and End from Transcend.
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Post by: Qwer on March 03, 2006, 08:34:43 AM
Remember Sync's subtitle?

"You're out of time."

Prehaps everything Alpha 1 came through wasn't "real" at all? Maybe he has gone throught things from many timelines?
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Post by: Nuclear on March 25, 2006, 10:23:02 PM
Replaying this campaign one more time has led me to the conclusion that there's another major reference made in the campaign.

Listen to the Transcendant's messages in the final mission. The Transcendant says something along the lines of "Do you see?" Now, if the player's a fan of sci-fi movies, this line would be familiar: it's also Sam Neil's last line in Event Horizon.

That's not the only reference to Event Horizon that I've seen through here. The heavily-garbled transmissions are a dead giveaway, especially the one saying "Help me" (similar to "Liberate me" and "Liberate tuteme ex inferiis").

Perhaps the Sync drive did the same to the Persistence and the Sync crew that it had done to the Event Horizon--taken it to another dimension or galaxy. Just something to chew on...
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Post by: Qwer on May 02, 2006, 04:22:18 PM
I've replayed Sync, looked on few missions and found intresting things.

First are attacking fighters in first stage of champaing. Didn't anyone found strange there were always 3 Hercs? Another strange thing is they arrive only in missions with Transcendant. Only in first mission first wing contained 4 Hercs. But most strangest is when Omega 4 destroys Alpha 4, it blows up along with it's victim. Also Alpha 1 can target only first fighter from enemy wings, but don't you think also Alpha 2 and 3 can target only enemy 2 or 3? It looks like attackers are some kind of mirrored "clones" of Alpha wingmen.

Second is that Pegasus fighter, which appears in M1 (nebula), M3 (inside jump node, it jumps out after few seconds of mission), M4 (inside subspace) and M8 (long distance from Alpha wing).
I've looked in FRED to all these missions, and found very intresting thing.
In first mission it's named "Unknown". In M3 "Darkness". But in M4 and M8 it's named "Penumbra". I've also looked at its waypoint in M4. It's named "PenumbraTerantoJump". Don't you think Penumbra Teranto could be real name of Transcendant? I'll redownload and replay Transcend and look at the name in FRED. Maybe i'll find more findings like this one. ;)


Trird is about M6. There are 4 bombers destroying GTVA corvette, Archeon. When you try to destroy one of those bombers, you can't because they're invulerable, like Ransom didn't want them to be destroyed. Look at their codename. Beta. The same codename had bomber wing from Persistence. Maybe it sent them to destroy eventual witness and then changed their bombers to Ursas to don't make any suspicions among traders.



Fourth is about Beta 2. How did Beta 2 knew about Sync? Also, he "came through intense psychological trauma". I think i found reason. If you'll look at FRED to M8, you'll see Penumbra is jumping out along with everybody else. Maybe Beta wing met him in one of those systems. Then he somehow ordered Beta 2 to kill his squadmates and told about Sync. Also you should look at Beta 2's behavior in a mission, in which he gets killed by Shivan beam. "Did he lead us to that debri field for a reason?". It was written by Alpha 2 after that mission. I wonder if Penumbra tracked Persistence all along their way and gave orders to Beta 2 before his actions.


All events from Sync looks like planned. I bet Penumbra has got a plan he realizes during whole story. Maybe we'll find out what that plan is during later parts.


Still something bothers me. Who were those fighters player met in M7? Did they knew about Penumbra and wanted to stop him from realizing his plan?




EDIT: I've replayed Transcend, looked at some missions to FRED, and found evidance not only for theory about Transcendant=Phi 2, but also that some of Sync characters were "ported" to Transcendant (fanfares please ;) ).

Look at that flash of Presistence group in E4M10 (mission, in which Sunder realizes, that Transcendant wants to be set free). First you can see Presistence and Farae jumping in, but then, there very short sub-flash, then it goes back to main flash. I've looked to that mission and saw thing, which explains everything.

http://devimg.net/?Post=802 (http://devimg.net/?Post=802)


I think that's enough evidance. It would also look like Penumbra isn't Transcendant, but somebody else.
How have Sync characters found theirself in Transcend, we can only speculate (until Ransom will release another parts of Sync).
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Post by: Kernal on June 01, 2006, 06:21:59 PM
Qwer you have some very good points

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First are attacking fighters in first stage of champaing. Didn't anyone found strange there were always 3 Hercs? Another strange thing is they arrive only in missions with Transcendant. Only in first mission first wing contained 4 Hercs. But most strangest is when Omega 4 destroys Alpha 4, it blows up along with it's victim. Also Alpha 1 can target only first fighter from enemy wings, but don't you think also Alpha 2 and 3 can target only enemy 2 or 3? It looks like attackers are some kind of mirrored "clones" of Alpha wingmen.


I Have never thought about this. I`ll have to replay it. It does give it another unnatural twist though.;)
 
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I've replayed Transcend, looked at some missions to FRED, and found evidance not only for theory about Transcendant=Phi 2, but also that some of Sync characters were "ported" to Transcendant (fanfares please  ).


How do you Know it wasn`t Just a cuinsadense(sp?). In the missions the Pegasus the fighter was in, about half of them had Phi 2 in it. How can he be in the same place twice. I got the impression that the Transcendant was being tested with Sync and got ghostly somehow(Higher plane of existance:naughty:). They were seperated and the Trancendant during the entire first act of Sync was tracking it down sync and trying to find a way to get it back. That is why he got so powerful in Transcend, he finally got sync. As for Phi 2, he was only a security guard.

Taking a different route I don`t see sync(the campaign) ending very happy. They have three choices at the end. 1.They could try to jump the entire area to another portion of the universe and get themselves killed. 2. They could try to take shivans head on and try to steal Sync and hope the Shivans follow them back to the node. Which may start another running game or they get killed right off the bat. 3. Or they watch in horor as the entire GTVA falls.
Seems to me there is nowhere out of the situation. But in the other hand I am only speculating. It could all end happy.:)

Edit: Wow I wrote to fast. Sorry :p
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Post by: Kernal on June 02, 2006, 01:02:50 AM
Sorry...I`m a terrible typer.
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Post by: Qwer on June 02, 2006, 01:18:25 PM
Kernal - Sync Pegasus isn't Transcendant. It's somebody else, named Penumbra in Sync M4 and M8.
Also look at one of Alpha 3 logs in last missions. He mentions about somebody, who watches them, somebody who wants nothing, and Shivans are his messengars. I bet it's about Penumbra.
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Post by: Kernal on June 02, 2006, 07:19:58 PM
Qwer how do you know?
It could be his real name before he became the trancendent.
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Post by: Qwer on June 03, 2006, 07:53:11 AM
Because, as you can see in those 2 shots, Sync and Transcend characters are somehow connected. Look at their names. Ship1, Ship3, Ship4 and None1. It lacks of 2, where None1 is in the place. It must be Phi 2. When you look at Sub-Flash shot you can see Transcendant in the same place where None1 is. It's hard evidance. How is it possible I don't know really. Maybe Sync it's some kind of alternative reallity of Transcend.
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Post by: Dark Hunter on June 30, 2006, 11:18:32 PM
Another thing tying the two campaigns together is the repeated mention of being "disconnected". In Sync, the "other Vasudans" mention that the Terran force is disconnected, in reply to why they were hunting them. In Transcend, Omega tells that the Transcendant was "disconnected from the universe". Later (or earlier, I'm not sure) Sunder mentions that he feels disconnected as well.

Perhaps being disconnected is the first step in transcending? It seems to happen to people in close proximity to the Sync drive (I'm assuming here that the Transcendant came into contact with Sync, and also that the cargo in the nebula was Sync), or perhaps by coming into close proximity to a transcended being. Or does this disconnection refer instead to taking place in an event of very large porportions (such as the events in Sync and Transcend)?
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Post by: Qwer on July 01, 2006, 07:45:41 AM
That's intresting. Those 2 universes are directly connected. Maybe Presistence group and their Transcend clones (look at those 2 shots i've made in FRED) are connections beetwen those 2 universes and Vasudan goal was to do something about this part connection. However i haven't got idea if they wanted to totally connect universes or totally disconnect. I think a lot of this will be revealed in second part of Sync. I hope Ransom will complete it shortly. :)
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Post by: Dark Hunter on July 02, 2006, 03:39:31 PM
Another idea just occurred to me. I was thinking about the similarities between the ships in Sync and Transcend, and I think I have an idea on what exactly the Transcendant was up to.

In Sync, the fleet carrying it (the drive) contained one Deimos, one cruiser, one freighter, one transport, and several fighters.
In Transcend, the fleet in the tunnel contained one Deimos, one cruiser (the Silent Eye), one transport (Sinclair), one freighter (Chondral), and several fighters.
It seems to me as though the Transcendant was trying to reconstruct the Sync drive by reconstructing the fleet that carried it. The only pieces missing were several more fighters, hence why he was after Omicron wing. In this context, his plead of "help me.... help me.... HELP ME..... PLEASE!" makes a little more sense, because he wasn't asking to be killed, but rather asking Sunder's help in reconstructing the fleet.
If the Sync drive was the reason he transcended, maybe he was trying to reverse the process.
Just a thought.
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Post by: Qwer on July 02, 2006, 03:57:27 PM
You've got point, but that shot i've made suggests that not Silent Eye, but Concord was Truth's counterpart. Or maybe Silent Eye was just replacement of Concord?
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Post by: Dark Hunter on July 02, 2006, 08:45:34 PM
You'll notice I said the fleet in the subspace tunnel. No Concord ever appeared in subspace.

One thing I forgot to mention was that maybe the collapsing jump node, plus the Transcendant's bizarre power plus the correct number and classes of ships would, in fact, achieve the same effect as Sync.


One thing in Sync bugs me though. In the mission (can't remember the number) where Alpha 3 starts getting angry and the Qetesh first appears, Alpha 3 mentions "... right after the Teranto appeared and got all excited..."
This confuses me because no ship called "Teranto" appeared anywhere in the campaign... or so I thought. The strange Pegasus fighter is called "Teranto" isn't it? But this still leaves the question about "the Teranto getting all excited..." because the Teranto didn't do anything in that mission (the first mission in which Sync was activated). Was there a transmission from him supposed to show up, but for whatever reason, didn't?

Finally, what does the world End have to do with anything? Or the Sage? For some reason I feel that they are important, but why I have no idea. You don't suppose the Sage could be all that's left of the Carthage do you? Maybe part of its nameplate was burnt off, leaving "age", and someone painted the "S" on later?
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Post by: Qwer on July 03, 2006, 07:09:03 AM
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You'll notice I said the fleet in the subspace tunnel. No Concord ever appeared in subspace.


I meant those 2 shots i've made (you can see the link in one of my earlier posts). The counterpart of Truth is definitly another Fenris cruiser and there are only 2 Fenrises in Transcend: Concord and another one destroyed by Generation it mission when it's destroyed by Hecate. And i've said Silent Eye would be Concord's replacement in Subspace Tunnel.

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One thing I forgot to mention was that maybe the collapsing jump node, plus the Transcendant's bizarre power plus the correct number and classes of ships would, in fact, achieve the same effect as Sync.


Add Transcendant destruction to it and everything is restored to normallity. ;)


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One thing in Sync bugs me though. In the mission (can't remember the number) where Alpha 3 starts getting angry and the Qetesh first appears, Alpha 3 mentions "... right after the Teranto appeared and got all excited..."
This confuses me because no ship called "Teranto" appeared anywhere in the campaign... or so I thought. The strange Pegasus fighter is called "Teranto" isn't it? But this still leaves the question about "the Teranto getting all excited..." because the Teranto didn't do anything in that mission (the first mission in which Sync was activated). Was there a transmission from him supposed to show up, but for whatever reason, didn't?



I didn't saw that transmission anywhere. Looks like i'll have to replay Sync one more time. :biggrin1:


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Finally, what does the world End have to do with anything? Or the Sage? For some reason I feel that they are important, but why I have no idea. You don't suppose the Sage could be all that's left of the Carthage do you? Maybe part of its nameplate was burnt off, leaving "age", and someone painted the "S" on later?


Yeah, that's possible, but i have no idea how did it found itself in Transcend.
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Post by: Lightning on July 09, 2006, 07:56:22 PM
Rivetting discussion :)
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Post by: Kszyhu on July 20, 2006, 03:44:20 PM
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I've also looked at its waypoint in M4. It's named "PenumbraTerantoJump". Don't you think Penumbra Teranto could be real name of Transcendant?


I'm replaying Sync now, and I looked at E1M4 in FRED. GTD Carthage also jumps out at PenumbraTerantoJump, and in message SEXPs destroyer is named Teranto, not Carthage.
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Post by: Dark Hunter on August 03, 2006, 05:27:47 PM
Yeah, I looked more closely at those missions to. "Teranto" is in no way connected to the Penumbra. Teranto is the name of the fighter wing escorting the Carthage all over the place. Which means that Alpha 3's transmission makes more sense, given that Teranto wing did most of the talking during the "arrest".
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Post by: Nuclear on August 03, 2006, 05:34:58 PM
The Teranto was the original name for the Carthage, IIRC. The Carthage and the Persistence did a lot of back-and-forth chatting during the arrest, so Alpha 3's statement in the later mission ("the Teranto jumped in and got all excited") makes sense.

This post, however, does not.
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Post by: Dark Hunter on November 06, 2006, 02:37:57 AM
I've been doing more thinking... mainly on Sync. I had another idea, don't know how plausible.

In the first mission of Sync, there is a Vasudan corvette (forgot the name) in that nebula. It was a lot farther away from the node than the Tether, so I think it's safe to assume that the Vasudan corvette did not enter the node when it collapsed.
Assuming that it survived: could the crew be the ancestors of the Vasudan splinter group found after the first Sync-jump?
Here I'm assuming that Sync distorts time by quite a bit more than is proven, but I wonder if it couldn't have happened. Those other Vasudans knew about Terrans, and if they had split off hundreds of years ago they would never have known the Terran race. But if they were the descendants of the Vasudan corvette then they would know about Terrans wouldn't they?

Even scarier thought just occurred to me: if Sync distorts time by a lot, could it be that those Vasudans were all that was left of the GTVA in some distant future? They are using the same era's technology, granted, but if there was a major cataclysm that wiped out most of the GTVA (including the Terrans), then a bunch of technology could have been lost... It might also explain those debris fields... left over from the cataclysm. There might have been hundreds of those scattered all around, and the Vasudans would be using automated transports like the Qetesh to salvage technology from them...? They seemed to know what would happen if Sync was continued to be used, which could mean that the cataclysm was brought about by Sync. They also apparently were able to control Sync, indicating that they knew far more about it than the Persistence. Maybe in trying to kill the Persistence's convoy they were trying to alter the past, and prevent the Sync-induced cataclysm from coming about.
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Post by: MP-Ryan on March 14, 2007, 03:02:42 AM
Good theories, but a couple problems:
-In Sync, we encounter both the Carthage and the Darshor.  Both of these ships appear in the FS2 campaign, intact.  Both are in FS2 AFTER they appear in Sync.  The Carthage is the Carthage, nothing else.
-Trascend appears to be set after the second Shivan incursion, whereas Sync occurs both before and after it.  Sync may actually trigger an alternate reality, for that matter.

There are obvious relationships between Sync and Trascend, but I don't think it's anything so simple as one Sync character becoming the Transcendant.  However, I'm not Ransom :P
Title: Theories [SPOILER HEAVY]
Post by: -Joshua- on August 25, 2007, 04:58:09 PM
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I wonder how would Shivans react for Transcendant's influence. Would they become slaves like Chondral or Generarion?


they would go to the capella star, let it go supernova, to create an wormhole to another universe to flee from the trandescend?
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Post by: -Joshua- on August 30, 2007, 05:38:07 PM
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Kernal - Sync Pegasus isn't Transcendant. It's somebody else, named Penumbra in Sync M4 and M8.

Might this explain all other pegasus fighters swarming around the Trandescend in some of the flasbhacks?

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Finally, what does the world End have to do with anything?

I actually first thought this was one of the colony planets destroyed by the Lucifer...
Title: Theories [SPOILER HEAVY]
Post by: hjj5899 on June 13, 2008, 07:19:52 AM
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I just ruined the story for myself by reading this thread... :(


:)  It is good !!
Title: Theories [SPOILER HEAVY]
Post by: Fenrir on June 19, 2008, 07:41:35 AM
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Another thing tying the two campaigns together is the repeated mention of being "disconnected". In Sync, the "other Vasudans" mention that the Terran force is disconnected, in reply to why they were hunting them. In Transcend, Omega tells that the Transcendant was "disconnected from the universe". Later (or earlier, I'm not sure) Sunder mentions that he feels disconnected as well.

Perhaps being disconnected is the first step in transcending? It seems to happen to people in close proximity to the Sync drive (I'm assuming here that the Transcendant came into contact with Sync, and also that the cargo in the nebula was Sync), or perhaps by coming into close proximity to a transcended being. Or does this disconnection refer instead to taking place in an event of very large porportions (such as the events in Sync and Transcend)?

I also got to thinking about how Sync`s subtitle is "you`re out of time." I wouldn`t be surprised if that means not that they don`t have any time remaining, but that they are basically outside of time, or, shall we say, "disconnected" from it.

Interesting stuff. Man, I need to replay these campaigns.
Title: Theories [SPOILER HEAVY]
Post by: Infamus on August 10, 2008, 10:51:47 PM
the transcendent IS in sync, the only Pegasus fighter in the entire campaign. he has already been to the universe and back because of some experiment.

however the use of the sync device in his vicinity (you don't see him but he is there, come on, HE'S THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH) gave him manipulation over reality in the same AOE as sync. however after refining the effects, his ability became so powerful that he could no longer control it and had 2 split personalities 1: tried to recreate the sync and reverse the polarities to undo everything 2: tried to get someone to kill him 3: wanted to take over the galaxy and-then-some (the out-of-control ability of course)

greatest accomplishment: traveling to the end of the universe (they got awesome fish too bad it costs 42 fuckin bucks)
greatest failure: sync drive going bonkers and fucking up everyone's MYND

MEH