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Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on May 27, 2008, 10:58:17 AM
So then, episode 8 airs tonight at 9GMT, which is aboout 9 hours from now.

Seeming Tesla hasnt made a thread for it yet, I shall do it.

Sine Qua Non - without which it could not be, or so battlestar tells me

so then:
Will Adama figure out Tighs a pirate.... er, cylon, sorry?
Will Gaeta join Tigh as a 1 legged pirate?
Will Gaeta hunt down Anders?
Will Zarek take over as president?
Will Romo Lampkin take over the Galactica?
Will we ever see Bulldog again?

Find out the answers to possibly none of those questions in 9 hours

by the way, im not sure if spoilers are required in this thread for this weeks episode before said episode airs
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on May 27, 2008, 11:06:17 AM
Bulldog is one of Kane's lacky's now ;
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: TripRussell on May 27, 2008, 11:49:57 AM
Quote from: Wolfy;101180
Will Gaeta join Tigh as a 1 legged pirate?
That's what I was thinking!! lol
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: TESLA on May 27, 2008, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: Wolfy;101180
So then, episode 8 airs tonight at 9GMT, which is aboout 9 hours from now.

Seeming Tesla hasnt made a thread for it yet, I shall do it.

Sine Qua Non - without which it could not be, or so battlestar tells me

so then:
Will Adama figure out Tighs a pirate.... er, cylon, sorry?
Will Gaeta join Tigh as a 1 legged pirate?
Will Gaeta hunt down Anders?
Will Zarek take over as president?
Will Romo Lampkin take over the Galactica?
Will we ever see Bulldog again?

Find out the answers to possibly none of those questions in 9 hours

by the way, im not sure if spoilers are required in this thread for this weeks episode before said episode airs


Good man Wolfy, *sob sob* you did me proud, lol,
i was not able to create this thread cause i was soooo busy getting students ready for their finals.



OMG THE SHIP OF LIGHTS IS IN THIS EPISODE!!!!!!!!!



































nah, just kidding,
DVD recorder set, loaded.....ready to burn..... :)
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on May 27, 2008, 04:10:18 PM
Quote from: TESLA;101194
OMG THE SHIP OF LIGHTS IS IN THIS EPISODE!!!!!!!!!


This is where it turns out it is

I tried to do it in your style of posting for Episode Discussion Threads, but i couldnt quite get the hang of it prooperly, i tried :D
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on May 27, 2008, 09:01:35 PM
oh... wow...

Athenas is the Brigg... again
Adama vs Tigh fight
Romo the gun weilding psycho
President Lee Adama
Admiral Cylon Pirate Tigh (seeming they where the Admirals pips)
Huskers looking for the missing people
Saul is having a kiddie... with another cylon! Wait, an all cylon child? could it be the 13th?!

and much much more, its going to take a while for all this to settle in... im not sure if i agree with everything that happened in this episode or not

Wolfy needs time...
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Ajax on May 27, 2008, 09:15:40 PM
guess thats what RDM meant about the final five being fundamentaly different from the others
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Lepton on May 28, 2008, 05:11:34 AM
The Adama/Tigh fight scene was cool until it turned into the typical gag at the end. Frankly, I felt let down by the whole thing.  I guess since there wasn't any drum beaty music backing it up I should have known it meant nothing.  Clearly, the scene is some kind of in-joke as the "million dollar" ship model gets smashed again and Adama remarks about how many times he had to fix it.

I also find it rather insane that Adama gives up his command for this after all the other instances wherein he might have "lost his objectivity".  Seems kind of trumped up to me, kind of like, "Hey, how do we make Tigh really scary while simultaneously putting Edward James Olmos in a really, really big flight suit??"
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on May 28, 2008, 07:03:21 AM
^You just can't help but complain can you?

That was one of the best episodes I've seen.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: karajorma on May 28, 2008, 07:57:26 AM
Seriously, just ignore him. If he didn't like this episode it's obvious BSG isn't for him and it's basically reached the point where any further comments are just feeding the troll.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: wiley on May 28, 2008, 08:54:55 AM
Quote from: Ajax;101212
guess thats what RDM meant about the final five being fundamentaly different from the others


If you are referring to Tigh fathering a child then he is fundamentally different or he is NOT a Cylon.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Apocalypsse on May 28, 2008, 09:38:51 AM
God what an episode, everything turned upside down. I really really want the song Athena was humming in the brig, it sounds soooo awesome. I still dont understand why they didnt recover the complete vipers in the basestar wreckage, surely it would have been better then leaving them their to rust.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Dierus on May 28, 2008, 09:46:45 AM
just a silly question, have you guys seen the ep? how?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Ajax on May 28, 2008, 09:58:27 AM
Quote from: wiley;101254
If you are referring to Tigh fathering a child then he is fundamentally different or he is NOT a Cylon.


RDM already said they are definatly cylons. however this whole they came from the 13th still doesnt make much sense.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on May 28, 2008, 10:04:14 AM
well, some of us live in the UK, which is where BSG is being aired first for the rest of the 1st half of season 1, as for the people that arent in the uk, imagine the internet somwhere?

Anyway, i noticed airds name was used for the 1st time in a while. And the refrence it was used with makes me sure hes now the cheif

Its a shame we didnt get to see what happened to Helo/Roslin/Baltar/the others however, but then it adds to the mystery of what happened to them

[spoiler]Next weeks episode is called The Hub, so i presume we either see it from there point of view, or see the continuation of the storry, presumably with them and possibly Adama[/spoiler]

Did anyone else notice we now have a definate number for the air wing? "Half our vipers where on the baseship when it jumped, we only have 40 left to gaurd the fleet". Im going to say, using my extreme maths, theres 80 vipers (or pilots) in total... or was anyway, depending what happened to the baseship
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on May 28, 2008, 10:09:28 AM
Yeah they said 40 on the baseship.

So a total of 80. But I reckon that's 80 pilots. Surely they have more Vipers from peggy left? Unless a damn lot of vipers were lost in new caprica.

Also, I'm loving the new CG shots.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on May 28, 2008, 10:25:09 AM
yeah, im sure they have more vipers. the season opener said "I want anyone whos ever flown in a bird in the air" or somthing like that. I noticed neither Adama or Tigh rushed to a viper... then again there probally a bit too old

Loveing how adama is using his old Call Sign again, adds a nice touch.

And i personally think i can see why Adama handed command over to Tigh, i mean, he already left the fleet totally defenceless when he took the galactica to look for the missing baseship, what if Cylons had jumped in? At least this way hes not risking anyone elses lives, although he did leave the fleet in the hands of a cylon
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: karajorma on May 28, 2008, 11:04:24 AM
Who else was he going to give it to?

Gaeta? - In sickbay
Helo? - MIA
Lee? - Out of the Military

Dee's probably the most qualified XO left.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on May 28, 2008, 11:16:25 AM
Let Kelly out of the brig.

Edit: Hoshi is probably more qualified than Dee.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: wiley on May 28, 2008, 11:44:37 AM
Since Tigh fathered a child (final 5 Cylon - Sig 7 Cylon) can't we now add Helo to the candidate list for final Cylon?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Fish on May 28, 2008, 11:59:09 AM
That episode definitely fits in the WTF category.

Seriously, I didn't expect there to be that much carnage.

Nor the musical-chairs leaderships.

Nor Cylon babies.

Nor Romo Lampkin being quite that weird and irrelevant.

But hey, all interesting developments for the series. Watching next week as always :p
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: karajorma on May 28, 2008, 12:03:01 PM
Quote from: Cl1nt;101266
Let Kelly out of the brig.

Edit: Hoshi is probably more qualified than Dee.


Dee was XO of the Pegasus for a year. Admittedly with a skeleton crew.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on May 28, 2008, 12:21:48 PM
In that year they never saw combat.

Hoshi was a lieutenant prior to the war, while Dee was only a Petty officer. So he'd have at least more training. Plus Cain...
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on May 28, 2008, 12:37:03 PM
hmm, it will be inttresting to see who becomes the XO...

Doc Cottle even?

anyway, AGAIN i was thinking "Maybe this is where Racetrack finds her end?" when she went to board the damaged raptor. But no, the damaged Raptor didnt blow up with her on board. Then again, shes pretty much become THE raptor pilot right now for the show

infact, other than Seelix, Anders and Starbuck, shes the only regular pilot left. Anyone else notice the 'Dead Pilot' is currently the CAG?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Fergus on May 28, 2008, 01:43:59 PM
I'm pretty sure Hotdog is still hanging around somewhere.  Although he may be on the other baseship, if it's still intact.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on May 28, 2008, 02:03:08 PM
Actually I think Major Cottle might be the second highest ranking officer left now?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on May 28, 2008, 02:06:38 PM
CO = Heavy Drinker
Presumed XO = Heavy Smoker
CAG = Zombie
Have i missed anything out?

oh yeah, there is Hot Dog, but i think hes out playing with the Cylons with Helo
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Foundry on May 28, 2008, 02:45:08 PM
Quote from: Wolfy;101278
hmm, it will be inttresting to see who becomes the XO...

Doc Cottle even?

anyway, AGAIN i was thinking "Maybe this is where Racetrack finds her end?" when she went to board the damaged raptor. But no, the damaged Raptor didnt blow up with her on board. Then again, shes pretty much become THE raptor pilot right now for the show

infact, other than Seelix, Anders and Starbuck, shes the only regular pilot left. Anyone else notice the 'Dead Pilot' is currently the CAG?


What about Tattooed pilot he's a regular...in ways.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: TripRussell on May 28, 2008, 03:52:08 PM
Quote from: Foundry;101289
What about Tattooed pilot he's a regular...in ways.
was he in the cylon basestar, during the previous eppie??
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Rauko on May 28, 2008, 05:17:14 PM
Quote from: wiley;101268
Since Tigh fathered a child (final 5 Cylon - Sig 7 Cylon) can't we now add Helo to the candidate list for final Cylon?

The whole point of "Athena" having a kid with Helo was that the kid would be a mix of human and cylon.

Now, the clyons don't know who the 5th is  (any of the 5 for that matter) so they might have inadvertently targetted the 5th, but that would be a bit too much of a contradiction of past plot lines. I wouldn't buy it.

Actually even though Lee has always been a possible option, and somewhat obvious, does anyone else catch the parallel of Tigh (a cylon) taking command of the military meanwhile Lee it also taking over a position? Two cylons in the two most authoritative positions in the fleet perhaps? The Lee option just went up for me.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: TripRussell on May 28, 2008, 06:43:39 PM
Lee being the final cylon.  That is a bit hard to swallow, given he is the son of the Admiral... Unless, Lee was adopted, then things changes.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Rauko on May 28, 2008, 07:15:31 PM
All of the Cylons found among the humans were the son or daughter of someone...
Why would Adama be different?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Michilus on May 28, 2008, 07:29:34 PM
I'm relieved Jake got of New Caprica.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: TripRussell on May 28, 2008, 07:37:47 PM
which Adama are we talking about? lol
If it is Lee, then we can acknowledge that Lee have a living parent (namely the Admiral). Whereas Boomer mentioned (in the miniseries) she lost her folks in an accident.  It is hard to accuse Lee as a cylon, unless the Admiral is not his father!
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: TESLA on May 28, 2008, 07:41:23 PM
Ah wolfy, you did a great job, dont worry


Thought it was a good episode, setting things up, getting the feeling something big is about to happen.,

I wonder if next week we will see what happened with all that debris?

Probably.


But here is an interesting take on things....What if Galactica herself, is the final Cylon........who knows  

The ship, its alive, whooohahahahaha


no one would see that one coming

jes they really are running out of senior officers.

Good news is the dog survived, wondered what happened to him.......
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: TripRussell on May 28, 2008, 07:45:46 PM
Galactica a living ship.. where did I hear that before. lol
Oh yeah!  Farscape and Andromeda! :)
If Galactica can project an avatar, with an attitude, then it would be great!  :-P
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on May 28, 2008, 07:45:55 PM
And during hte caprica mini series, wel meet the Adama familly, so we can rule out the admiral (unless hes addopted too?)

Hey, anyone notice adama talking about the war "One of my first mission was a solo recon mission behind enemy lines". doesnt that contradict Razor? unless theres a few month gap between the first 'Razor webisodes' and the later Razor Webisodes in which Adamas gained experience?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Crixx on May 28, 2008, 08:04:43 PM
Jake for Galactica XO!

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb25/Comrade_Crixx/coloneljake.jpg)
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: TESLA on May 28, 2008, 08:07:16 PM
You have too much free time! lol


What happened to his eye? Those every XO from now on have to wear an eye patch, did Commander / Admiral Tigh, start off a new fashion trend??


Funny though ;)
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Crixx on May 28, 2008, 08:37:41 PM
Quote from: TESLA;101347
You have too much free time! lol


I blame society.

Quote from: TESLA
What happened to his eye? Those every XO from now on have to wear an eye patch, did Commander / Admiral Tigh, start off a new fashion trend??


You haven't watched the deleted scenes for Exodus pt.2?!
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Foundry on May 28, 2008, 11:04:29 PM
Quote from: TripRussell;101295
was he in the cylon basestar, during the previous eppie??


Could ask you the same I don't look far enough. Does anyone know if tatooed pilot was on the basestar?

Quote from: Wolfy;101337
And during hte caprica mini series, wel meet the Adama familly, so we can rule out the admiral (unless hes addopted too?)

Hey, anyone notice adama talking about the war "One of my first mission was a solo recon mission behind enemy lines". doesnt that contradict Razor? unless theres a few month gap between the first 'Razor webisodes' and the later Razor Webisodes in which Adamas gained experience?


I'd like to see the Tauron miniseries. See how old Joe Adama grew up. I'm a Taurus so I'm most likely biased in this! :D
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: wiley on May 28, 2008, 11:05:36 PM
Someone remarked that fight between Adama and Tigh was a let down. I however found it very real in terms that long time friends would indeed get over it quickly. As a matter fact, a very long term friendship of my own began with a fist fight very much like that one.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Roy Fokker on May 28, 2008, 11:16:09 PM
Quote from: TripRussell;101336
Galactica a living ship.. where did I hear that before. lol
Oh yeah!  Farscape and Andromeda! :)


BSG too... the basestar is an organic ship, it regenerates itself, as seen in the previous episodes.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Lepton on May 29, 2008, 12:24:55 AM
Quote from: karajorma;101252
Seriously, just ignore him. If he didn't like this episode it's obvious BSG isn't for him and it's basically reached the point where any further comments are just feeding the troll.
I think you will find on fan sites like http://www.bsgcast.com that a number of people have posted that they did not like the episode.  It was certainly not the strongest thing I have ever seen, but your prejudices against my opinions seem to blind you to the possibility that there are probably any number of reasonable people who did not think it was particularly strong.  I am one of them.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on May 29, 2008, 02:34:47 AM
I would reply to you, but you're clearly trolling again, and so I ignore you.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: TripRussell on May 29, 2008, 02:50:02 AM
Quote from: Roy Fokker;101363
BSG too... the basestar is an organic ship, it regenerates itself, as seen in the previous episodes.
I forgot about the basestar being organic, and too have an avatar/pilot controlling the ship.  my apologies :)
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: karajorma on May 29, 2008, 06:46:04 AM
Quote from: wiley;101362
Someone remarked that fight between Adama and Tigh was a let down. I however found it very real in terms that long time friends would indeed get over it quickly. As a matter fact, a very long term friendship of my own began with a fist fight very much like that one.


Fist fights between friends tend to be over fairly quickly. As soon as you have a break in the action you realise that you are friends and stop.

Plus I loved Adama complaining about the number of times he's had to fix that model. Hope they used a cheaper version this time. :D
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Sidestep on May 29, 2008, 08:04:24 AM
Quote from: Rauko;101326
All of the Cylons found among the humans were the son or daughter of someone...
Why would Adama be different?

I don't think that's true, it's generally accepted that they didn't have parents and that their memories of any such families were implanted, whereas Lee has his father right there who can verify all his memories, unless he was adopted like Triprussell said.

Great to see Rolo back, also, does this mean that we now have Head Cat to add to the mix? :)

Not sure how i feel about Lee being President though, and I bet Zarek is more than a little unhappy about it...
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Rauko on May 29, 2008, 11:51:47 AM
Well...I didn't mean like...biological parents.

I meant that they all had humans who treated them as their son or daughter, at least to some extent. People who have known them for a very long time. And if the "real" them got replaced, no one noticed the difference for them.

Yes Sharon didn't really, but can we take her case as the rule for the others?
Tigh never had a father or mother? HECK the Old Man has known Tigh for as long as Lee has been alive, maybe longer. What about the other three? Especially Tyrol. I can see Anders and Torre maybe, since Anders was in the resistance and Torre kind of appears from no where without much history. But Tyrol was in the service before the war as well, no chance to slip him in then, it must have been earlier.

Plus, I don't think we know much of anything about how these people became cylons.
Was it a swap out? Would be hard to orchestrate without any of the other skinjob cylons knowing...ever thought about that?
How did the final 5 get to be the final 5 without help from the other 7? Conceivable, yes, since they are computers and could program themselves to forget I suppose, but I'm just bringing up the question.

Correction: Seems Adama has known Tigh a while, but not as long as I gave them credit at first. There would have been enough time and confusion in Tigh's life to slip in a Cylon replacement.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on May 29, 2008, 12:11:25 PM
as far as im concerned, the final 5 where around before the colonies developed the current cylons

where as the main 7 cylons where developed by the current cylons. However, whoever programmed them must of known about the final 5. Or amybe the final 5 where the ones that created the other cylons?

Also, I just noticed, we had a massive hint in the mid season two parter for season 3 that Trol was a Cylon didnt we? where he mysteriously comes across the temple on the Algae planet? im thinking he programmed himself to do that possibly..

As for memories of the cylons, i think the ones that needed to have  abackground, they  just pre programmed them into them

This post is just speculation however, nothing more
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Sidestep on May 29, 2008, 01:01:17 PM
Quote from: Rauko;101395

I meant that they all had humans who treated them as their son or daughter, at least to some extent. People who have known them for a very long time. And if the "real" them got replaced, no one noticed the difference for them.


I think it would be quite a feat to replicate a humans whole personality, to the extent that no one would notice any difference. So I would disagree with that.

Quote from: Rauko;101395

Plus, I don't think we know much of anything about how these people became cylons.


I think this is a good point, I don't think we have any background at all as to how the Cylons were inserted. We may never get an idea unless there is a reveal in series 4. But I have to say that I agree with Wolfy, and like I said previously, the ones that were sleepers and needed backgrounds were just programmed with them. We've never seen any proof of parents or siblings.

Although.... Didn't Dualla put a photo on the wall that was being used to look for family members after the destruction of the colonies, so does this mean she's not the 5th final Cylon?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on May 29, 2008, 01:10:01 PM
Quote from: Rauko;101395
Well...I didn't mean like...biological parents.

I meant that they all had humans who treated them as their son or daughter, at least to some extent. People who have known them for a very long time. And if the "real" them got replaced, no one noticed the difference for them.

Yes Sharon didn't really, but can we take her case as the rule for the others?
Tigh never had a father or mother? HECK the Old Man has known Tigh for as long as Lee has been alive, maybe longer. What about the other three? Especially Tyrol. I can see Anders and Torre maybe, since Anders was in the resistance and Torre kind of appears from no where without much history. But Tyrol was in the service before the war as well, no chance to slip him in then, it must have been earlier.

Plus, I don't think we know much of anything about how these people became cylons.
Was it a swap out? Would be hard to orchestrate without any of the other skinjob cylons knowing...ever thought about that?
How did the final 5 get to be the final 5 without help from the other 7? Conceivable, yes, since they are computers and could program themselves to forget I suppose, but I'm just bringing up the question.

Correction: Seems Adama has known Tigh a while, but not as long as I gave them credit at first. There would have been enough time and confusion in Tigh's life to slip in a Cylon replacement.


You seem to be assumeing that the cylons are modeled on specific people.

as far as i know, general consencus is that the cylons simply created the skin jobs to resemble humans, not created form specific people

However, theres no real way of knowing either way unless its stated
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Rauko on May 29, 2008, 02:36:52 PM
Well thats all part of the question of how the final 5 became cylons.
I never took for granted that they were replaced, that was just one possibility. Like I said "Was it a swap out?"

Did some reading though and RDM seems to indicate that they never were actual humans.
So I guess that none of them ever really existed as humans but that they entered into humanity and took on a persona that was completely fabricated?

That would be tough for Lee, then. Agreed...

...Mostly just thought the parallel of Tigh stepping up and Lee stepping up was interesting.
Of course it could work backward...One stepping up and another stepping down.
But then again, Zarek's political history is pretty deep.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: karajorma on May 29, 2008, 02:43:06 PM
Quote from: Sidestep;101398
Although.... Didn't Dualla put a photo on the wall that was being used to look for family members after the destruction of the colonies, so does this mean she's not the 5th final Cylon?


Given that Boomer appeared to have a picture of her family in Downloaded, probably not.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Foundry on May 29, 2008, 04:30:49 PM
Quote from: Sidestep;101398
I think it would be quite a feat to replicate a humans whole personality, to the extent that no one would notice any difference. So I would disagree with that.

I think this is a good point, I don't think we have any background at all as to how the Cylons were inserted. We may never get an idea unless there is a reveal in series 4. But I have to say that I agree with Wolfy, and like I said previously, the ones that were sleepers and needed backgrounds were just programmed with them. We've never seen any proof of parents or siblings.

Although.... Didn't Dualla put a photo on the wall that was being used to look for family members after the destruction of the colonies, so does this mean she's not the 5th final Cylon?


I like the idea that the Cylons were never inserted. They may have been humans that were somehow programmed to serve. I'll shoot my own theory down by pointing out that Leoben and the other Cylons got sick at Ragnar while the humans didn't. Plus the virus the humans had an immunity against started to kill off the Cylons at the Lion's Head Nebula ...yep they're definitely different species. So, uhm, doesn't this mean Colonel Tigh should've got pale and greasy while the Galactica and co were waiting at Ragnar? The Chief should've also been spluttering all over the hangar deck following the amount of time the fleet was at Ragnar. Is there any explanation for this?

Quote from: Wolfy;101399
You seem to be assumeing that the cylons are modeled on specific people.

as far as i know, general consencus is that the cylons simply created the skin jobs to resemble humans, not created form specific people

However, theres no real way of knowing either way unless its stated


Yes I believe the Cylons never copied specific humans ever. They created the skinjobs and by some means managed to insert them into Colonial society. Building your own skinjob, the body, personality etc is one thing, but to completely clone a human body and it's exact pysche? That's rather questionable.

Quote from: Cl1nt;101378
I would reply to you, but you're clearly trolling again, and so I ignore you.


I'm so deeply sorry I defended him at one point. Please forgive me.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Sidestep on May 29, 2008, 06:57:06 PM
Quote from: Foundry;101420
So, uhm, doesn't this mean Colonel Tigh should've got pale and greasy while the Galactica and co were waiting at Ragnar? The Chief should've also been spluttering all over the hangar deck following the amount of time the fleet was at Ragnar. Is there any explanation for this?


Leoben had been there quite a while. The Galactica was there long enough to get ammo and then they were off, not enough time to affect Chief and Tigh.

Plus the final 5 are different anyway, hence it appears they can have children with other Cyons, so maybe they have an immunity against the virus as well?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Barid Bel Medar on May 29, 2008, 06:59:54 PM
Quote from: Sidestep;101440
Leoben had been there quite a while. The Galactica was there long enough to get ammo and then they were off, not enough time to affect Chief and Tigh.

Plus the final 5 are different anyway, hence it appears they can have children with other Cyons, so maybe they have an immunity against the virus as well?


They can?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Apocalypsse on May 30, 2008, 03:26:26 AM
uHH the 6 on Galactica is pregnant, she has only been interacting with Tigh.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Barid Bel Medar on May 30, 2008, 04:13:19 AM
Quote from: Apocalypsse;101468
uHH the 6 on Galactica is pregnant, she has only been interacting with Tigh.


and head baltar I'm sure...  Immaculate Conception?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: wiley on May 30, 2008, 10:14:19 AM
Was the cat (Lance) in Romo's room real or was it Head Lance, Since the cat in the bag was dead for "weeks" there must be more than one, or the one we saw here was an apparition.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on May 30, 2008, 11:22:29 AM
Quote from: Barid Bel Medar;101470
and head baltar I'm sure...  Immaculate Conception?


It was stated at being Tighs child.

also six and Head Six arent the same being, at least from where i can tell, just like Baltar and Head Baltar arent the same
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: karajorma on May 30, 2008, 11:51:18 AM
Yes but Caprica Six was the first one to see Head Baltar.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Sidestep on May 30, 2008, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: karajorma;101409
Given that Boomer appeared to have a picture of her family in Downloaded, probably not.


I'd have to watch the miniseries again, but I think when Boomer was talking to Boxey she said her family had died a while ago and that Galactica was her family now?

Whereas Dualla's family may have been alive fairly recently if she thinks they died in the attack?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Crixx on May 30, 2008, 12:18:57 PM
Quote from: wiley;101478
Was the cat (Lance) in Romo's room real or was it Head Lance, Since the cat in the bag was dead for "weeks" there must be more than one, or the one we saw here was an apparition.


I initially thought it was a replacement cat, but after the episode i'm inclined to think it's a headcat. Especially since Lee remarks on "do you ever feed that animal?".

I may need to rewatch it to be sure, but it does seem like the cat isn't actually there in this episode.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Crixx on May 30, 2008, 12:20:02 PM
Quote from: Sidestep;101486
Whereas Dualla's family may have been alive fairly recently if she thinks they died in the attack?


Dee also says something about last talking to her father several weeks/months (?) before the attack in the Season Two episode with the little patriotic film dealy.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on May 30, 2008, 12:55:44 PM
the cats the final cylon?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: karajorma on May 30, 2008, 01:01:38 PM
Or perhaps everyone is a cylon. That's why so many of them have visions.

And Starbuck is the one who proves it. Thus destroying the human race. :)
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Sidestep on May 30, 2008, 01:35:31 PM
Quote from: Wolfy;101493
the cats the final cylon?


Trust the wolf to blame the cat!
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on May 30, 2008, 02:18:40 PM
Quote from: Sidestep;101507
Trust the wolf to blame the cat!


Its nature, what more can i say?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: TESLA on May 30, 2008, 03:21:00 PM
Quote from: Wolfy;101511
Its nature, what more can i say?


yeah but the Wolf gets shot! :lol:
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on May 30, 2008, 03:36:54 PM
only after its eaten the cat...
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: TESLA on May 30, 2008, 03:42:04 PM
Quote from: Wolfy;101519
only after its eaten the cat...


Then the wolf ends up on the mantlepiece, or as a rug....
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on May 30, 2008, 04:30:03 PM
only if caught

ANYWAY can we put this topic back on track do u recon?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Barid Bel Medar on May 30, 2008, 04:42:34 PM
Quote from: Wolfy;101526
only if caught

ANYWAY can we put this topic back on track do u recon?


Doubtful.  I mean, come on man, wouldn't it be awesome to have a wolfskin rug?
Title: It's me!
Post by: docfu on May 30, 2008, 05:47:20 PM
I'm the final cylon! I mean, I wouldn't know if I was, and even if I knew I was, I certainly wouldn't tell you..

Oh wait, somebody else probably got drunk and wrote this thread already...

Darnit! I'll just have to wait until the second half of season 4 airs to see if I'm right...
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: IceManHG on May 31, 2008, 03:00:35 AM
I totally missed the head cat thing if thats what it really was. The cats food/water bowl was never full was it?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Seeker on May 31, 2008, 03:31:21 AM
Ummmm.....

Now, it COULD be that Tighe was not really 'into' it, but as a Cylon, shouldn;t he have been able to kick Adama's butt from here to Caprica?

I know this thought might make everyone want to go sit in a raptor and read till they choke, but: what if the four aren't all who we have been led to beleive?  OK, Tori and Anders have some confirmation...but Chief and Tighe?  Just that song thingie.  And with the way everyone and thier clone is carrying on with visions and 'head' and what-not, the song ain;t proof.

Arrgh.  I select the works of Shakespeare and head off to the Raptor.....See ya in seven days!
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Nuke on May 31, 2008, 09:38:02 AM
they killed lampkins cat! those bastards!
that was my favorite character.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: kvitske on May 31, 2008, 10:19:42 AM
Adama should have taken his Wii with him...
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: TESLA on May 31, 2008, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: docfu;101539
I'm the final cylon! I mean, I wouldn't know if I was, and even if I knew I was, I certainly wouldn't tell you..

Oh wait, somebody else probably got drunk and wrote this thread already...

Darnit! I'll just have to wait until the second half of season 4 airs to see if I'm right...


emm.....  I have already claimed to be the final Cylon. It has generally been accepted as fact. :naughty:
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on May 31, 2008, 12:08:44 PM
It must be true. He has a picture of a cylon in his avatar!
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Angreifer on May 31, 2008, 02:18:02 PM
You know, it's a reeeeally good thing Admiral Adama stepped down at the same time Lee became el presidente. Could you imagine the uproar in the fleet if the military AND civilian leaders were both Adamas?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Foundry on May 31, 2008, 03:04:45 PM
Quote from: Seeker;101573
Ummmm.....

Now, it COULD be that Tighe was not really 'into' it, but as a Cylon, shouldn;t he have been able to kick Adama's butt from here to Caprica?

I know this thought might make everyone want to go sit in a raptor and read till they choke, but: what if the four aren't all who we have been led to beleive?  OK, Tori and Anders have some confirmation...but Chief and Tighe?  Just that song thingie.  And with the way everyone and thier clone is carrying on with visions and 'head' and what-not, the song ain;t proof.

Arrgh.  I select the works of Shakespeare and head off to the Raptor.....See ya in seven days!


RDM's already confirmed they're Cylons. There's no worming around it.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: KewlToyZ on May 31, 2008, 03:21:12 PM
[spoiler]So Rosilyn is suspected by the Cylons to be one of the final 5 or was it a preview misdirection?[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Why didn't these bozo's salvage resources from the battle wreckage?

Who is the deck chief now?

How the frak did Starbuck get back in good graces so easily?[/spoiler]

Hmmmmm
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Enki on May 31, 2008, 04:58:33 PM
Quote from: Lepton;101370
I think you will find on fan sites like http://www.bsgcast.com that a number of people have posted that they did not like the episode.  It was certainly not the strongest thing I have ever seen, but your prejudices against my opinions seem to blind you to the possibility that there are probably any number of reasonable people who did not think it was particularly strong.  I am one of them.


So you and your sockpuppets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet) get out a lot?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Tikey on May 31, 2008, 04:59:20 PM
I can't wait for the "wait in a raptor a read" mission for BTRL
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Enki on May 31, 2008, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: Sidestep;101440
Leoben had been there quite a while. The Galactica was there long enough to get ammo and then they were off, not enough time to affect Chief and Tigh.

Plus the final 5 are different anyway, hence it appears they can have children with other Cyons, so maybe they have an immunity against the virus as well?


Correct.  Remember Doral was left at Ragnar and he looked fine when he was brought in from Galactica.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Deckard on May 31, 2008, 05:07:53 PM
Np, I'll script one for you. The SCP guys have to pass me some few new SEXPs though. I'll need to pass text pages on an on/offable Colonial book layout. Thruster control keys to zoom / & drag. TAB to select page numbers, space bar to... well you know.

By the way.. I want Natalie BACK RIGHTz NAWZ!
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Enki on May 31, 2008, 05:09:08 PM
Quote from: KewlToyZ;101598
[spoiler]So Rosilyn is suspected by the Cylons to be one of the final 5 or was it a preview misdirection?[/spoiler]

Why didn't these bozo's salvage resources from the battle wreckage?

Who is the deck chief now?

How the frak did Starbuck get back in good graces so easily?

Hmmmmm



Dude, stuff from the trailers needs to go into spoiler tags.  I suggest you fix it before you get a vacation.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Pommesgabel on May 31, 2008, 08:41:31 PM
Quote from: karajorma;101497
Or perhaps everyone is a cylon. That's why so many of them have visions.

And Starbuck is the one who proves it. Thus destroying the human race. :)


You know what, I think you're right.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on May 31, 2008, 09:35:46 PM
Quote from: Tikey;101604
I can't wait for the "wait in a raptor a read" mission for BTRL


Could be a long mission, might take ddays to finish that mission depending on how long Adamas there during the next hwoever many episodes.

Or they jsut all forget about adama, and at the end of the final episode of season 4, you just see him sat there whistling to himself stilll reading the book :D

on a more serious note: Devs, before you release the game, give us a quick notification a few days in advance sowe can order our books off Amazon for that mission, cheers :D (oh, did i say serious? oops)
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Werthead on June 01, 2008, 01:50:40 AM
Quote from: KewlToyZ;101598
Who is the deck chief now?


Laird, the deck chief from Pegasus. Tigh mentioned his name when they were examining Roslin's Raptor.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: KewlToyZ on June 01, 2008, 04:55:42 AM
Thanks Wert :D
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: wiley on June 02, 2008, 03:49:16 AM
Six's hair hair and makeup look pretty good for a prisoner.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Enki on June 02, 2008, 03:31:14 PM
You don't think Tigh would be doing a messed up skank do you??
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Foundry on June 02, 2008, 03:33:52 PM
It's not as if his standards are high, he's in the military it can get pretty lonely! ;P
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Rauko on June 02, 2008, 06:13:58 PM
Well on that point I'm torn between 2 things:

1) He kept seeing her as Ellen and may have gotten swept away by the fact that he was seeing her.

2) Even in the episode when he went to see her and saw Ellen, he resisted and told her to stop playing whatever mind games she was doing.

So it seems like he was still in some amount of control.
Add this to the fact that when Adama confronts him about it just the total look of surprise and confusion about the whole thing.
Its almost as if he doesn't even know they had sex (if they did at all). And he never actually admits to it, though Adama takes his silence as admittance.

So I'm not quite ready to accept that it really is Tigh's kid yet. Only obvious option, yes, but this is BSG and stranger things have happened...
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Roy Fokker on June 02, 2008, 07:20:54 PM
Quote from: Enki;101780
You don't think Tigh would be doing a messed up skank do you??


Hey! Don't insult his late wife!
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Foundry on June 02, 2008, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: Rauko;101788
Well on that point I'm torn between 2 things:

1) He kept seeing her as Ellen and may have gotten swept away by the fact that he was seeing her.

2) Even in the episode when he went to see her and saw Ellen, he resisted and told her to stop playing whatever mind games she was doing.

So it seems like he was still in some amount of control.
Add this to the fact that when Adama confronts him about it just the total look of surprise and confusion about the whole thing.
Its almost as if he doesn't even know they had sex (if they did at all). And he never actually admits to it, though Adama takes his silence as admittance.

So I'm not quite ready to accept that it really is Tigh's kid yet. Only obvious option, yes, but this is BSG and stranger things have happened...


I thought he was more surprised that Adama said the six was pregnant. Perhaps Tigh had been so infatuated with seeing Ellen he believed Ellen herself was pregnant/being fraked by him. Only at certain points mind you, when his self-control may have been at it's weakest (he is an alcoholic, they aren't known for great amounts of self-control).
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Angreifer on June 02, 2008, 09:19:52 PM
If it is Tigh's kid, we have an interesting situation. First a human impregnated a Cylon (Helo and Athena), then a Cylon impregnated a human (Tyrol and Cally), and now possibly a Cylon has impregnated a Cylon. Three kids, three different combinations of the two races. I haven't the foggiest what it could all mean, but the thought has been rattling around in my head since the episode.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: KewlToyZ on June 02, 2008, 10:38:05 PM
Tigh must be a two pump chump :D
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Rauko on June 02, 2008, 11:58:17 PM
Quote from: Foundry;101812
I thought he was more surprised that Adama said the six was pregnant. Perhaps Tigh had been so infatuated with seeing Ellen he believed Ellen herself was pregnant/being fraked by him. Only at certain points mind you, when his self-control may have been at it's weakest (he is an alcoholic, they aren't known for great amounts of self-control).


Foundry, thats what I meant by being confronted by Adama...thats when Adama tells him. And yes, he looks shocked. Thats my point completely. I don't think he has any memory of anything happening. And the fact that just before that he resisted a vision of Ellen makes me think that just maybe he didn't.
They haven't really portrayed him as being a drunk lately, thought he was largely over that. Ever since finding out he's a Cylon he's actually been the only Cylon whose kept his head on. Unless you call Anders shooting Gaeta rational...
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: wiley on June 03, 2008, 10:42:01 AM
An interesting note Lampkin mentions to Lee that they crossed 47 names off of their list. The number 47 was also the number that the old lady had when Helo and Boomer raffled off seats in the raptor in season one (the one Baltar almost stole). And the number 47 or 74 or multiple was in just about every episode of StarTrek TNG, DS9 and Voyager. It was also used in National Treasure 2. From what I have read it is used a lot. But WHY??
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on June 03, 2008, 10:54:21 AM
conspiracy
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Roy Fokker on June 03, 2008, 12:47:01 PM
47 is the new 23.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on June 03, 2008, 02:08:45 PM
It's no 21.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Crixx on June 03, 2008, 02:09:35 PM
I prefer 69.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on June 03, 2008, 02:36:35 PM
There's totally nothing great about 69. 68 is where it's at.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Foundry on June 03, 2008, 03:59:02 PM
42, meaning of life. 7, holy number and Bungie number. 117, MC.

Sorry Enki I was a bit tired when I wrote that which is why it's relatively short.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Barid Bel Medar on June 03, 2008, 05:51:34 PM
Quote from: Rauko;101788
Well on that point I'm torn between 2 things:

1) He kept seeing her as Ellen and may have gotten swept away by the fact that he was seeing her.

2) Even in the episode when he went to see her and saw Ellen, he resisted and told her to stop playing whatever mind games she was doing.

So it seems like he was still in some amount of control.
Add this to the fact that when Adama confronts him about it just the total look of surprise and confusion about the whole thing.
Its almost as if he doesn't even know they had sex (if they did at all). And he never actually admits to it, though Adama takes his silence as admittance.

So I'm not quite ready to accept that it really is Tigh's kid yet. Only obvious option, yes, but this is BSG and stranger things have happened...


I'm tlling you, Six's kid is either Jesus or Anakin Skywalker.  And if he's jesus, that makes Head Baltar God.  Hem... that WOULD explain a few things.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Rauko on June 03, 2008, 08:17:06 PM
Dude I just watched Hitman after reading this and the guy's code number, his "name" is 47...

WTH!
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Rauko on June 03, 2008, 08:37:05 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/47_(number)

Lots of interesting stuff there especially:

The tale of the 47 Ronin is a historical Japanese story, based upon actual events that took place in year 1701 of the western calendar. It is mentioned in John Frankenheimers movie Ronin (1998).

Interestig 1701 connection... (NCC 1701 being the enterprise)
Also in the Pop-Culture section is a good explanation for how RDM and ST:TNG got into this.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: wiley on June 03, 2008, 08:48:03 PM
Quote from: Rauko;101929
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/47_(number)

Lots of interesting stuff there especially:

The tale of the 47 Ronin is a historical Japanese story, based upon actual events that took place in year 1701 of the western calendar. It is mentioned in John Frankenheimers movie Ronin (1998).

Interestig 1701 connection... (NCC 1701 being the enterprise)
Also in the Pop-Culture section is a good explanation for how RDM and ST:TNG got into this.


According to that Prof. Bently proved that all numbers equal 47, Who knew? no wonder all of my math homework was wrong!
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Enki on June 03, 2008, 11:04:04 PM
Well if it is 47 then Einstein was right and Douglas was wrong. God does not play dice with the universe.

Does anyone else know where Adam's "42" really came from?  :p
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: KewlToyZ on June 03, 2008, 11:47:35 PM
Bollux? :D
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Rauko on June 04, 2008, 01:41:27 PM
Douglas Adams is crazy enough that it just might truly be a completely random number...
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Enki on June 04, 2008, 03:58:16 PM
Quote from: Rauko;101985
Douglas Adams is crazy enough that it just might truly be a completely random number...

Not random, very definitely has a relation to Einstein and God. :D
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: KewlToyZ on June 05, 2008, 03:58:21 AM
Ever seen that wierd short film called Pi?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: Tikey on June 05, 2008, 04:35:08 AM
Great movie!
Although I don't remember it being short...

Just to be sure. Are you talking about THIS  (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138704/)movie?
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: guitarfan01 on June 05, 2008, 05:13:16 AM
The Darren Aronofsky film?  That's about eighty minutes long.
Title: Season 4 Ep 8 Discussion *Spoilers*
Post by: KewlToyZ on June 05, 2008, 05:58:51 AM
LOL yeah my memory failed me on how long it was.
I got a kick out of it for sure though.
The Hebrew math issue was the first time I had heard of the concept though.
The movie had an edge to it for sure.