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Title: Bsg Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Rainman on November 24, 2007, 12:21:43 PM
Well it is finally the 24th! I've been dying to see this and finally it is out! But i got some questions for those guys out there who know a lot about the release:

1)What's the difference between the leaked screener and the actual release, I heard something about CGI effects, but what are these? I was wondering if i could just download the screener since there is no other way to watch it from here, the DVD won't come out for a damn long time.
2) Will there be any extra scenes in the actual release that are not in the screener? Because if so, I might as well wait so at least I get the story when I watch.

Anyone who's got anything to say about RAZOR can post here, BUT MAKE SURE TO TAG YOUR SPOILERS PROPERLY! I don't wan't to know what happens till I watch even if it is 6 weeks from now! Thanks in advance guys.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Apocalypsse on November 24, 2007, 03:35:12 PM
Theres no need for spoiler tags for those questions.

The screener and the one that airs should be exactly the same, but the DVD version will have extra scenes in it, this has already been said several times.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on November 25, 2007, 01:30:06 AM
The screener's effects quality might be a little lower, but all the scenes should be the same.

I can't wait for the DVD release.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Arch_Angel on November 25, 2007, 07:35:58 AM
old style raider was officially in a new Battlestar Galactica episode.

so it now HAS to be part of BTRL somehow lol.
it was used in the Battlestar Galactica RAZOR 2 hour movie. so since it was officially used we somehow have to work it into BTRL lol. whether as an officially added ship or as a custom added download. it HAS to be there now to keep in line with using official ships that were used in the new Battlestar Galactica series.

by the way the RAZOR movie was AWESOME.

:yes:
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: karajorma on November 25, 2007, 07:53:44 AM
Added a spoiler tag. Feel free to talk about it as much as you like on this thread now. :)

And yes, the voice of the Hybrid is the same guy who did the voice of the Bentuzi in Homeworld.


As for the old Raider I may only be one of the voters on the team but I was always in favour of having it. Razor just means I'm much more likely to get it quickly. :)
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: ZildjianO0 on November 25, 2007, 08:19:06 AM
I dug Razor for the most part.  I thought the actress that played Shaw was a little weak compared to the rest of the cast... her delivery was flat even when she was a "scared rook".  I can understand later as she's supposed to be hardened... but even then it felt like there was no force behind the words.  Effects were great... "By your command" was sweet.  My only other gripe is that the hallway shoot out felt WAY too much like Aliens.  Even the rifle sounds were the same.  Now I love Aliens... as Aliens.  I think that could have been done better.  Still love/hate Cain and Forbes was great reprising her role.  I wish they'd have made the XO execution hit home a little harder.  That it was her friend she'd known for years that she's just offed.  I really thought Katee Sackhoff was excellent in this too, unlike the later parts of season 3.  
Super cool seeing the old Pegasus cast back in all its glory... from Showboat to Hoshi to Fisk to Laird.  Word.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: RogueAngyl on November 25, 2007, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: karajorma;84993
And yes, the voice of the Hybrid is the same guy who did the voice of the Bentuzi in Homeworld.


So THAT'S where I knew that voice from.  It's been so long since I've played it I couldn't place it.

I was impressed by the was they CGIed the first gen Cylons.  When I first saw them in the Raider I thought they'd look all chunky like back in TOS Galactica, when they still had to use real people for the centurions.  I'm still trying to decide whether or not I like the idea of Cain being in a relationship with a 6 though.  Certainly gives substance to why she was being so cruel, but it just has been done with the Baltar relationship.  Wait a minute.... what am I saying???!!!???
Title: Razor?
Post by: wiley on November 25, 2007, 10:02:44 AM
Now I know what "RAZOR" means.

It seems that I married one.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: WMCoolmon on November 25, 2007, 10:06:20 AM
Razor strikes me as being "fan candy". It jumped around too much, IMHO, and relied on a character that I didn't connect with - though I think that's because she didn't have a lot of backstory presented anyway.

Overall, it felt like a lot of cool moments that they wanted to put in the series, but wouldn't have made chronological sense.

The other thing I didn't like was that they used the traditional BSG credits/recounting style. The previews, in particular, seemed to needlessly chop up the pacing.

Overall - I wish that Razor had been more fluid, to give the critical moments more meaning. Just for the hell of it, what if Cain had been the hybrid? That would've tied the two stories together pretty well, and would've been one hell of a plot twist. :p
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: wiley on November 25, 2007, 10:19:36 AM
Does anyone think that the hybrid's conversation with shaw just before she sets off the nuke, is a major clue to the fifth Cylon?
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on November 25, 2007, 10:36:39 AM
We've already seen in season 4 trailers that there is much debate about starbucks return... I think it's more to create controversy amongst the fan base, considering no one else in universe heard it.

Though I've no idea how the hell the fleet will get out of the situation they're in at the end of season 3... Deus ex Machina, anyone?
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: karajorma on November 25, 2007, 11:07:12 AM
Quote from: WMCoolmon;84999
Overall, it felt like a lot of cool moments that they wanted to put in the series, but wouldn't have made chronological sense.


That's similar to the way RDM put it IIRC. He said that he noticed after the end of season 3 that a portion of the story hadn't been told and that he could go back and flesh it out.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Roy Fokker on November 25, 2007, 12:47:31 PM
Quote from: ZildjianO0;84995
I wish they'd have made the XO execution hit home a little harder.  That it was her friend she'd known for years that she's just offed.


I think the problem was him looking too much like Joey Tribbiani, haircut and goofy grin and everything.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Malcolm_Sevargam on November 25, 2007, 01:59:48 PM
Can anyone tell me how long it was? I've heard people saying it wasn't 2 hour as stated on wikipedia.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on November 25, 2007, 02:27:01 PM
A little under 1 and a half hours, so it would be about 2 hours on TV (With ads).
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: DarkWrath on November 25, 2007, 03:20:12 PM
Good movie... make the time till season 4 tick even slower..
Anyway it gives another round of questions about cylons , as well as the well known " All of this has happened before....."
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: AncientAngel on November 25, 2007, 04:33:05 PM
Yeah ,tick real slow. Start of the last season another 4 something month wait. Plus the 9 Month wait to get Razor. Wait a minute has it been that long? A little over a year since that last episode?
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Angreifer on November 25, 2007, 04:45:03 PM
My favorite moment...Shaw and Hoshi walking down the corridor of Pegasus to show Shaw her quarters, everything is hunky dory, and then BAM...explosion. No warning, just there it is. That's very immersive, in my opinion, and was a very good dramatic effect. In the miniseries, we as the audience knew when the attack was happening, we had outside clues. But in Razor, we're given the opportunity to experience how truly sudden the attack was.

My second favorite moment was the discovery that Cain was gay. It makes her reactions to Gina a lot deeper, and it's also in my opinion a bold move, to make an Admiral a homosexual. RDM never fails to impress.

But now my head is bursting with questions about the hybrid. Was he really the Cylon God? Was he the one who created the 12 human form cylons, or only the first 7, and not the final 5? How does he know so much about Kara's destiny, and how did he know about Shaw's experiences? Are there more copies of him??

March is too far away...
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on November 25, 2007, 07:26:11 PM
my only question is "what do we call the ships berthed next to Pegasus in the shipyard?". Still, seeming its a cylon that said not to trust Kara, he could of just been trying to mess with peoples minds, but then, if that was the case, why then block communications when u could discredit the fleets best pilot...
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: wiley on November 25, 2007, 07:51:51 PM
Quote from: Wolfy;85031
seeming its a cylon that said not to trust Kara, he could of just been trying to mess with peoples minds, but then, if that was the case, why then block communications when u could discredit the fleets best pilot...


He wasn't a Cylon, he was a human altered to function as integral basestar pilot.
As seen by young Adama and later baltar, the hybrids use some mental connectivity to control the basestar's. Maybe there is more to this mental ability.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: bsilver2988 on November 25, 2007, 08:27:16 PM
Quote from: Wolfy;85031
my only question is "what do we call the ships berthed next to Pegasus in the shipyard?".


We call them battlestars.  One looked exactly like Adama's old ship the valkyrie.  All of them had flight pods.  Remember when Cain was recounting the attacks for Adama, she said "6 ships, 4 of them battlestars were instantly destroyed"
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on November 25, 2007, 09:09:27 PM
Quote from: Arch_Angel;84988
old style raider was officially in a new Battlestar Galactica episode.

so it now HAS to be part of BTRL somehow lol.
it was used in the Battlestar Galactica RAZOR 2 hour movie. so since it was officially used we somehow have to work it into BTRL lol. whether as an officially added ship or as a custom added download. it HAS to be there now to keep in line with using official ships that were used in the new Battlestar Galactica series.

by the way the RAZOR movie was AWESOME.

:yes:


You know i've been wanting to say that for the last month since i saw the leaked version but couldn't because of the spoilers. I'd also love to see the old basestars from the flashbacks and the hybrid basestar. that just lookd awsome. kinda halfway between the old and the new.

Quote from: ZildjianO0;84995
I dug Razor for the most part.  I thought the actress that played Shaw was a little weak compared to the rest of the cast... her delivery was flat even when she was a "scared rook".  I can understand later as she's supposed to be hardened... but even then it felt like there was no force behind the words.  Effects were great... "By your command" was sweet.  My only other gripe is that the hallway shoot out felt WAY too much like Aliens.  Even the rifle sounds were the same.  Now I love Aliens... as Aliens.  I think that could have been done better.  Still love/hate Cain and Forbes was great reprising her role.  I wish they'd have made the XO execution hit home a little harder.  That it was her friend she'd known for years that she's just offed.  I really thought Katee Sackhoff was excellent in this too, unlike the later parts of season 3.  
Super cool seeing the old Pegasus cast back in all its glory... from Showboat to Hoshi to Fisk to Laird.  Word.


I would have liked to have seen a little more depth in the EXO execution but the fact is that when you think about it, cain knew they were potentially the only humans left and if her crew was going to survive then there couldn't be any sort of question about her orders. She couldn't have a first officer that would question orders and well.........cain sees the mission as coming first above all else.

Quote from: Roy Fokker;85006
I think the problem was him looking too much like Joey Tribbiani, haircut and goofy grin and everything.


Now see i can only think of him as rhade from andromeda.

Quote from: Angreifer;85021
My favorite moment...Shaw and Hoshi walking down the corridor of Pegasus to show Shaw her quarters, everything is hunky dory, and then BAM...explosion. No warning, just there it is. That's very immersive, in my opinion, and was a very good dramatic effect. In the miniseries, we as the audience knew when the attack was happening, we had outside clues. But in Razor, we're given the opportunity to experience how truly sudden the attack was.

My second favorite moment was the discovery that Cain was gay. It makes her reactions to Gina a lot deeper, and it's also in my opinion a bold move, to make an Admiral a homosexual. RDM never fails to impress.

But now my head is bursting with questions about the hybrid. Was he really the Cylon God? Was he the one who created the 12 human form cylons, or only the first 7, and not the final 5? How does he know so much about Kara's destiny, and how did he know about Shaw's experiences? Are there more copies of him??

March is too far away...


Totally agree. i thought the same way.

Quote from: Wolfy;85031
my only question is "what do we call the ships berthed next to Pegasus in the shipyard?". Still, seeming its a cylon that said not to trust Kara, he could of just been trying to mess with peoples minds, but then, if that was the case, why then block communications when u could discredit the fleets best pilot...



Well they are battlestars. The thing is that the one berther immediately next to pegasus looks very strange. I'd like to say it is a battlestar but it looks very different. Kind of like that it should be in the old series. I'd still like to see it though. And then there was the one berthed on the far end that looked more like galactica only much much bigger. (hell it looked huge even compared to pegasus if you look at the scene.)
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: DarkWrath on November 25, 2007, 09:33:06 PM
Quote from: P-90_177;85041
Now see i can only think of him as rhade from andromeda.

In both series killed by his commanding officer... What a irony...
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on November 25, 2007, 09:40:07 PM
lol. i didn't think of it like that......yet very true.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Roy Fokker on November 25, 2007, 10:50:13 PM
Quote from: Angreifer;85021
My second favorite moment was the discovery that Cain was gay. It makes her reactions to Gina a lot deeper, and it's also in my opinion a bold move, to make an Admiral a homosexual. RDM never fails to impress.


I don't think Cain is necessarily gay... I look at it as looking for companionship in extreme circumstances. One's sexual orientation is not as simple as "having relations with the same sex". I think having Sixes seducing both men and women was a great touch, showing just how easy it is to manipulate us when one knows which buttons to push. Even strong individuals like Cain.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on November 25, 2007, 11:03:32 PM
i just liked how it wasn't a big deal. It wasn't like 'oh wow she's gay, let's all look at the gay woman' it was just a case of kendra wondering how cain and gina hooked up. I like that. It shows how progressive the show is.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: RogueAngyl on November 25, 2007, 11:09:24 PM
After having a chance to sleep on my reactions to this movie, I've found it an interesting, albeit likely coincidental, placement for this to come off the heels of the season 3 finale. I know season 3 gets fan-flak a lot of the time for it's lack of action compared to Seasons 1 and 2, but I've always taken that the action should be second to the story and character development, which we get a lot of in season 3. Razor goes back to one of the fundemental questions posed back in the early days of this series, that being why did the human race deserve to survive the first Cylon war. Naturally, being that we are humans ourselves we sympathize with the human characters of this series. We want them to be the heroes, the protagonists, those who are morally justified. But the sorry truth is that our heroes are never quite so black and white, that there are a lot more gray areas then history would like us to acknowledge. But of course history is never written to display truth, it is written to display perspective. Interesting how it ties in with Adama's talk about how their logs will be the basis of future history. Rewards and punishments are given and withheld, but perhaps not because those rewards and punishments were deserved (or deserved to be avoided) but rather because the decision to administer or withhold these serves a greater purpose. We've seen it in "Hero", we heard Lee discuss it in the S3 finale, and certainly it seemed to be the basis for Shaw's promotion. History will record the actions of these men, of all men and women, as being in line with the standards of history, and in terms of BSG it will hold the good Commanders in esteem and the poor ones (such as Fiske and Gardner) in disgrace, but Lee could have added one more mistake to his list of forgiven errors while on the stand, that being of nuking his own tactical squad, including his helplessly hopelessly love Kara Thrace. All of his mistakes, all of Adama's mistakes, all of Cain's mistakes have been forgiven. Does holding one's faults in one's heart make us more noble for the burdens we bear, our did the Athena-8 say it right when talking face to face to Adama, in regards to his speech at the decommissioning ceremony, that perhaps because of all (their) our unrecorded sins, the human race truly does not deserve to survive.



Quote from: Wolfy;85031
my only question is "what do we call the ships berthed next to Pegasus in the shipyard?".


Radioactive Scrap Metal
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: SiS-Shadowman on November 26, 2007, 11:33:54 AM
I must say that I really like Shaw's character. It seems she regrets her actions in the past, but nevertheless, she goes on.
One scene, that really touched me, was when Starbuck found out about her addiction and she put the injection back into the glass. I could really imagine what she must have felt like in that moment.
Her character is just full of flaws, imperfect like the other ones. But somehow I sympathize most with her :)

Spoiler 3rd season final ahead:
[spoiler]
But that thing about starback leading humanity to death really disturbs me. Why did the cylons jamm the transmission if it's just a lie? Maybe the fourth season will be referring to this point that Shaw wanted to tell something about starbuck. I mean, after he just appeared at the end of season 3 again, someone clearly will accuse her of beeing a cylon (if the fleet survives the incomming basestars and it better will be).
[/spoiler]

great film :yes:
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: DarkWrath on November 26, 2007, 01:34:15 PM
Then why would the hybrid jam the transmission , when he warned Shaw... looks too much like a desperate survival act. I feel it was more of a trick to raise the blood pressure for S4...
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on November 26, 2007, 01:43:53 PM
it may not have been the hybrid. could have been the toasters cos they didn't know any better. or even that the hybrid doesn;t want the others to know about it.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Tikey on November 26, 2007, 01:48:22 PM
Quote from: SiS-Shadowman;85082
Spoiler 3rd season final ahead:
[spoiler]
But that thing about starback leading humanity to death really disturbs me. Why did the cylons jamm the transmission if it's just a lie? Maybe the fourth season will be referring to this point that Shaw wanted to tell something about starbuck. I mean, after he just appeared at the end of season 3 again, someone clearly will accuse her of beeing a cylon (if the fleet survives the incomming basestars and it better will be).
[/spoiler]


[spoiler]Well, end doesn't necessarily means death, you could even think of it as "goal" as in "Starbuck will lead the humanity to its goal".[/spoiler]
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: RogueAngyl on November 26, 2007, 02:04:47 PM
Quote from: P-90_177;85084
it may not have been the hybrid. could have been the toasters cos they didn't know any better.


That's a good point. Perhaps they came to the conclusion that remote detonation of charges on the cylon ship was the most likely tactic (as it really was the tactic being used), and they were jamming frequencies not to cut off communications but to keep the nuke from 'sploding.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: SiS-Shadowman on November 26, 2007, 02:12:03 PM
Quote from: Tikey;85085
[spoiler]Well, end doesn't necessarily means death, you could even think of it as "goal" as in "Starbuck will lead the humanity to its goal".[/spoiler]


Okay, you're right about that. One could interprete it that way too.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Tikey on November 26, 2007, 02:47:00 PM
Problem with that is that we have two opposite interpretations leaving us almost in the same unknowing place we where before.
CURSE YOU RDM! :P
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: ngtm1r on November 26, 2007, 04:13:30 PM
Well, less need to make up Colonial capital classes now, eh mod team? Eh? :p

As was noted on HLP, the apparent Galactica-class ship seen in at the Scorpion Yards can't actually be a Galactica, because it's bigger than Pegasus, where by all other available information Pegasus is either larger or roughly the same size as Galactica.

I think Cain's XO was actually correct. It was a stupid thing to do, and yes, Pegasus could do it, but it was still stupid. For that matter not throwing the book at it instead of using just one squadron seems equally stupid. It also leaves me wondering what might have been. Between the Scorpion Yards attack and the relay station Pegasus apparently lost more than ONE HUNDRED Vipers.

100.

I'm not shitting here people. Either Peggy was down to damn near nothing by the time it met up with Galactica, or that's one helluva huge bird farm. This also makes Adama's willingness to take on Pegasus with Galactica more rational; both groups of pilots are good, plenty of combat experience, but Galactica's pilots would have something Pegasus' didn't: confidence. They're good and they know it, and they have a real belief they can win, because they're used to winning. Meanwhile, Pegasus' pilots have been repeatedly kicked in the nuts. They win too, but they do it leaving bits and pieces of Mark VII's all over the place. They also know that Galactica's pilots have consistantly done more, with less, then they have, and are probably light-years ahead of any Raider in terms of skill. Quite probably Pegasus' CAP was scared shitless at the prospect of taking on Galactica's airgroup.

I'm also quite amazed that nobody put a straightjacket on Cain at some point. She called them soldiers. Well there are rules for soldiers, and I have no doubts Cain broke quite a lot of them. I think it very possible she was mentally unbalanced; certainly by the time she practically ordered Gina beat to shit and raped.

Also, funny symmetry to that: when she gave the orders to execute the families I said out loud "Why not, you killed your own family."...which is eerily true considering Gina's abrupt demotion from lover to inanimate object.


EDIT: It's spelled Bentusi, by the way. :p I recognized it almost at once myself.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on November 26, 2007, 04:20:13 PM
thing is, i've heard alot of people saying that it's completely implorsable that the crew would have followed cain because she gave orders to kill civies when the first duty of the military is to protect the people.........we are forgetting one thing though. we're assuming that the colonial military works the same way as ours when it may be completely different.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: bsilver2988 on November 26, 2007, 04:47:24 PM
Pegasus didn't lose 100 vipers.  Many of the ones you're referring to were simply badly damaged, with engineer's saying they dont have enough spare parts to repair them.  Thats why cain ordered the civilian ships stripped..to get the spare parts needed to repair the vipers.  Remember the ultimate point of reference was that when pegasus met up with galactica, she had 3 full squadrons.  She's made to carry 4.  Factor in number destroyed, with total number, and number they were able to rebuild in thier viper construction factory onboard, it makes sense.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: DarkWrath on November 26, 2007, 04:53:08 PM
Well tbh I agree... losing 700 crew members and God knows how many vipers(can't remember the exact number) for a relay station , no matter how many raiders they took down is not a failure , is a complete disaster...

Also killing her XO , especially since they were close... that's even worse. Not sure though if colonial military uses death penalty for disobeying a direct order.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Tikey on November 26, 2007, 04:55:19 PM
Quote from: ngtm1r;85093
Well, less need to make up Colonial capital classes now, eh mod team? Eh? :p

As was noted on HLP, the apparent Galactica-class ship seen in at the Scorpion Yards can't actually be a Galactica, because it's bigger than Pegasus, where by all other available information Pegasus is either larger or roughly the same size as Galactica.


I believe that's more to do with perspective. If you look carefully it has to be closer to the camera and quite higher than peggy.
If not it's just a damn huuuuge ship with the exact same layout as galactica. It doesn't make much sense.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: karajorma on November 26, 2007, 06:00:29 PM
It's a CGI mistake or a matter of perspective.

If the animators think that you can introduce a new class by taking an existing model and scaling it up they should be shot.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: The Saint on November 26, 2007, 06:59:14 PM
Quote from: P-90_177;85041
Well they are battlestars. The thing is that the one berther immediately next to pegasus looks very strange. I'd like to say it is a battlestar but it looks very different. Kind of like that it should be in the old series. I'd still like to see it though. And then there was the one berthed on the far end that looked more like galactica only much much bigger. (hell it looked huge even compared to pegasus if you look at the scene.)


They're not battlestars. For them to be battlestars, they would dramatically contradict the count given by Cain to the number of ships lost at Scorpio. In addition, their layout is quite different from that of a BS.

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Fall_of_the_Scorpion_Fleet_Shipyards#Berzerk_Orthos
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: FusionStorm on November 26, 2007, 07:35:49 PM
Quote from: The Saint;85102
They're not battlestars. For them to be battlestars, they would dramatically contradict the count given by Cain to the number of ships lost at Scorpio. In addition, their layout is quite different from that of a BS.

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Fall_of_the_Scorpion_Fleet_Shipyards#Berzerk_Orthos


Looks like a armed Cargo Frigate.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on November 26, 2007, 08:56:24 PM
well the wiki says it's a support craft..........which could basically mean anything. It looks like some sort of hauler but the fact that it has the same sort of design of a battlestar indicates a more military pedigree but there are no guns on it.....quite odd really.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on November 26, 2007, 09:00:46 PM
Quote from: The Saint;85102
They're not battlestars. For them to be battlestars, they would dramatically contradict the count given by Cain to the number of ships lost at Scorpio. In addition, their layout is quite different from that of a BS.

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Fall_of_the_Scorpion_Fleet_Shipyards#Berzerk_Orthos


Ok having seen that screenshot on the paage of the beserk i'd say that isn't a battlestar. Perhaps another type of military craft though. certainly it's battlestar sized. The one berthed at the top end of the shipyard though still looks like galactica only bigger though.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: DarkWrath on November 26, 2007, 09:47:32 PM
I need to watch it again and take screens...
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on November 26, 2007, 10:13:33 PM
hm, maybe we could call it a Battlecruiser?

when i originally htought of that, i meant like a cruiser, but with battle at the start of the name to fit it in with a Battle star, so there would then be BattleFrigate and various other names. But when you think about it, Battlecruiser may bse an apropriate name for it within the convention use, not sure though.

That ship apears to have 20 weapon mounts in all (10 on each side). 5 of the ones on each side are quadruple barelled, while the other 5 look like missile launchers... So if anyone here draws non-canon ship designs, you have some new weapons to choose from :)

Edit: also in the refrence pictures, there apears to be a docking bay. Wether this is for vipers or not should however be left as a total unknown as theres no way to say if it isnt or isnt, however, i like the idea that most colonial warships may have a hanger for shuttles and/or shuttles, the same way modern warships have helicopters and small boats for transport/boarding operations

Season 4 spoiler:
[Spoiler]Presuming this isnt the other military ship in the fleet in season 4 that kara is given command of as it would of been much more noticeable within the the fleet its elf to just add another huge warship[/Spoiler]
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Rogue420 on November 26, 2007, 11:22:04 PM
In for screens of the shipyard and all of the ships. Damn Scifi and their non-HD channel. Off topic, does anyone know if they plan on going HD?
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Enki on November 27, 2007, 12:16:21 AM
Supply ships can get quite large.  USS Sacramento class AOEs were built on a ex-Montana class Battleship hull, same one used for the Midway class carriers.  Midways are 972 feet long, Nimitz carriers are 1052-1092 feet at the flight deck, Sacramento was 796 feet, so auxilliaries can be - BIG - too.

Not only size-wise, but Sacramento had the same basic powerplant design as the Midway, just half the units, to make room for more cargo.  So it's not unusual to see very similar powerplants to the capital ships strapped back aft.

The number of turrets is a bit much for a supply ship by our standards, but if you figure she isn't going to have Vipers of her own it might make sense.  I would guess she carries a squadron or two of Raptors in her belly bay.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: blowfish on November 27, 2007, 12:19:53 AM
Quote from: P-90_177;85110
it's battlestar sized.


Its actually somewhat smaller than a battlestar, as seen here (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee173/Deus_cz/?action=view¤t=sizecomp2.jpg). It also appears that they might have five launch tubes on each side ,here (http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/8670/berzerkorthosov1.jpg) (look at side view) and here (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee173/Deus_cz/?action=view¤t=Gunz.jpg) (look under each of the smaller guns).  However, in the size comparison, these tubes look somewhat oversized.  In any case, they have certainly given us very little information about the purpose of this ship.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Josh_88 on November 27, 2007, 12:58:57 AM
the evolution picture here... http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=berzerkevolutionpb3.jpg (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=berzerkevolutionpb3.jpg)  by charles oines, calls it an escort ship.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on November 27, 2007, 01:14:53 AM
Quote from: blowfish;85134
Its actually somewhat smaller than a battlestar, as seen here (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee173/Deus_cz/?action=view¤t=sizecomp2.jpg). It also appears that they might have five launch tubes on each side ,here (http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/8670/berzerkorthosov1.jpg) (look at side view) and here (http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee173/Deus_cz/?action=view¤t=Gunz.jpg) (look under each of the smaller guns).  However, in the size comparison, these tubes look somewhat oversized.  In any case, they have certainly given us very little information about the purpose of this ship.


In that size comparison yes but in the actual episode it looks to be shorter than pegasus but round about the same length as galactica (i may be remebering wrong).

Judgeing from the armaments though i'd guess it was a sort of cruiser. Possibly a patrol craft, one step down from a battlestar. I'd guess it does carry raptors and maybe even a few vipers but not nearly the same number as a battlestar obviously.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on November 27, 2007, 10:51:48 AM
ok, the only real problem i see with this ship is the sizwe difference between the ship in the fleetyards and its galactica comparison shot... I have 3 opinions baou what may of happened to the ship in overallness (due to lack of a better word)

1. Ship was scaled up, weapons and what look like launch bays also increase in size so the weapons and launch bays are larger than those on a battlesar.
2. Ship was scaled up, weapons/launch tubes kept at same size but more spaced out or more added
3. Ship design scale dup, its now has a totaly different function.

any of these are plausable as we didnt see enough detail for weapons or the undercarage hanger...
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: crimson96 on November 27, 2007, 11:12:32 PM
Remember the guiding principal of space combat in Battlestar Galactica, weapons, tactics, and ship design are based on WWII concepts.

- Large numbers of flak batteries
- Deck cannons used to engage opponents with direct fire
- Importance of Aircraft Carriers
- Limited use of missiles, especially guided missiles due to jamming and countermeasures
- Importance of unguided or fire-and-forget "torpedos" by Cylon warships

Many technological concepts such as ECM jamming of missile guidance systems, susceptibility of networked systems and radiological alarms actually serve to devolve warfare from "Information Age" to "Modern Age."

Since the ship in the dock is referred to as an Escort Ship, we can safely assume that its purpose is similar to the Escort Carriers of WWII, designed to defend convoys.  Defense of inter-colonial trade would undoubtedly be a top priority in any conflict with the Cylons, suggesting that the colonials planned to rely on convoys to move men and materiale in event of war.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Imua on November 27, 2007, 11:31:36 PM
There is one thing of Razor that really stood out and if anyone can get a screen cap I would greatly appreciate it.....it is after Lee asks Kendra "just who are you" and then we see that camera seeing the Scorpion ship yards and the actual show puts in text "Scorpion Ship Yards" and as it is zooming in to the right we see the beast docked but me being the kinda ship geek I am........you see a Galactica class style ship at the top of this scene and then the camera  zooming into the Pegasus. When I paused at this point the ship at the top of the scene looks much bigger then the beast. Is this a new class? I'm sorry all that I do not have the ability to capture and post to you all but it looks as though this ship is much bigger then Pegasus docked to the right. Is this some new class?
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on November 27, 2007, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: Imua;85248
There is one thing of Razor that really stood out and if anyone can get a screen cap I would greatly appreciate it.....it is after Lee asks Kendra "just who are you" and then we see that camera seeing the Scorpion ship yards and the actual show puts in text "Scorpion Ship Yards" and as it is zooming in to the right we see the beast docked but me being the kinda ship geek I am........you see a Galactica class style ship at the top of this scene and then the camera  zooming into the Pegasus. When I paused at this point the ship at the top of the scene looks much bigger then the beast. Is this a new class? I'm sorry all that I do not have the ability to capture and post to you all but it looks as though this ship is much bigger then Pegasus docked to the right. Is this some new class?


yeah it's been noted a few times. My guess is that they just wanted to use the model to save them from using anything else just frakked up the size.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Slamscape on November 27, 2007, 11:34:59 PM
Its probably just the perspective
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Imua on November 27, 2007, 11:38:59 PM
yeah the perspective.............it so difficult to see whether the top platform that this ship is doced is closer to us then Pegasus or further away. When I first watched it is seemed further away.....which then I thought......oh that fraker is HUGE
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Slamscape on November 27, 2007, 11:46:44 PM
Although Cain did say there were 5 ships, 2 of them battlestars, so its probably safe to assume that its the same class and size as the galactica.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Imua on November 27, 2007, 11:55:29 PM
Quote from: Slamscape;85253
Although Cain did say there were 5 ships, 2 of them battlestars, so its probably safe to assume that its the same class and size as the galactica.


yeah I agree......it as Karajoma said has to be a CGI mistake.....it is so hard to tell if it is closer or farther away but definitely a Galactica type class
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on November 28, 2007, 12:15:25 AM
the only problem with that is that Glactica is the last of her class still in service.......so the nly thing i can think of is that it is essentially the same hull as galactica but slightly more advanced. Like the immediate generation of battlestar after the cylon war.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Tikey on November 28, 2007, 01:04:07 AM
Quote from: P-90_177;85259
the only problem with that is that Glactica is the last of her class still in service.......so the nly thing i can think of is that it is essentially the same hull as galactica but slightly more advanced. Like the immediate generation of battlestar after the cylon war.


Pehaps it's a decomisioned Galactica class refited to be a cargo ship or something.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Enki on November 28, 2007, 02:04:01 AM
I vote cost driven CGI related continuity snafu.  

I think the intent was to show a really damn big battlestar on the far side of the shipyard that wasn't a Mercury class. So they short-cut with a rescaled Galactica and either didn't think it was noticeable, or more likely accepted the five seconds of discontinuity because it was a few ten thousand cheaper to go that route.  

Remember RDM has already gone that route in the miniseries with the Galactica blown cleanly in-half.  Again despite Galactica being last of class in service.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: DarkWrath on November 28, 2007, 12:44:28 PM
And for those 5 seconds or so it was a good decision , just the size was a bit off , it seems to be 20-40% larger than a Mercury . I kind of like the hybrid basestar though :))

Also , who thinks the centurion responding with "By your command" was just what we were waiting since miniseries? :D
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Slamscape on November 28, 2007, 02:50:00 PM
Well it is a ship yard, the galactica looking model could have been there for years, or just recently decommissioned and being prepared to be a museum or something of the sort.

Also the only reference we have to size is Admiral Cain saying thats Pegasus is twice the size and half the crew, it could be that she was exaggerating a bit, you know like my ship is bigger than yours talk.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on November 28, 2007, 05:04:57 PM
er, but, we've seen pegasus side by side havent we? like, the end of season 2 where they jmped from New Caprica?
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Slamscape on November 28, 2007, 06:34:07 PM
Heres some shots I was able to find from that episode

http://galacticastation.com/Screencaps/S2/220/bscap501.htm
Rear View - looks like galactica is farther

http://galacticabbs.com/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=si&img=27369
http://galacticabbs.com/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=si&img=26756
Front Shots, looks like Pegasus is closer

http://galacticabbs.com/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=si&img=27577
Another Shot

I'm looking through the first few episodes of season 3 to see if there are any better shots, its really hard to tell from these shots. It looks at least like Pegasus is only bulkier than galactica.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: ngtm1r on November 28, 2007, 09:37:15 PM
Quote from: bsilver2988;85096
Pegasus didn't lose 100 vipers.  Many of the ones you're referring to were simply badly damaged, with engineer's saying they dont have enough spare parts to repair them.  Thats why cain ordered the civilian ships stripped..to get the spare parts needed to repair the vipers.  Remember the ultimate point of reference was that when pegasus met up with galactica, she had 3 full squadrons.  She's made to carry 4.  Factor in number destroyed, with total number, and number they were able to rebuild in thier viper construction factory onboard, it makes sense.


This doesn't quite hold water, because Peggy lost at least 50 Vipers combined at the relay station and the shipyards, and the shipyards attack damage gave at least another 50 as "damaged beyond repair", which isn't the same thing as irrepairable with the means at hand. When something is damaged beyond repair it's still recognizeable, but has suffered such severe damage that it would either be cheaper/simpler to make a new one, or the damage has rendered it fundementally suspect in some way; for example its basic structure was badly weakened. (This isn't hard to imagine; one can see pretty easily in the mind's eye a nuke hitting one of the flight pods and Vipers in the interior getting tossed around like dice in a cup.)

The civilian ships were stripped, I think, to help keep Pegasus itself working; this makes more sense considering issues of scale. Those too-damaged-to-fly Vipers would have been the primary source of parts via cannablizing them for their remaining working systems.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Slamscape on November 28, 2007, 10:03:58 PM
Found another shot

http://galacticabbs.com/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=si&img=2168
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: OutofStep351 on November 28, 2007, 10:21:25 PM
Well, I like the Berzerk or whatever it's called. It fits nicely into the role hole in the Colonial fleet. Seems a bit big in the screencap, though.
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Post by: David cgc on November 28, 2007, 10:31:37 PM
Quote from: P-90_177;85259
the only problem with that is that Glactica is the last of her class still in service.......so the nly thing i can think of is that it is essentially the same hull as galactica but slightly more advanced. Like the immediate generation of battlestar after the cylon war.


Specifically, Doral said the Galactica was the last of her "kind." Judging by how he went on about manual valves and nonnetworked computers, (along with the two other Galactica-type battlestars seen apparently in-service during the mini and Razor) I assume by "kind" he meant "designed wholly to prevent Cylon computer attacks at the expense of efficiency" and not the actual hull design. Obviously, other ships of Galactica's class were still in service, but their Commanders hadn't kept pulling strings to make sure they were never upgraded with new computer systems and other modern advances.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: AncientAngel on November 29, 2007, 12:14:06 AM
Did no one catch the fact that a boomer clone was captured on the hybrid ship? You see her for about 2-5 secs when they open the door, strapped to the first table. Or is this just me? I could have sworn it was her and they never mentioned Athena went along on that mission.

If this is the case, anyone else think that this is completely odd a 1st Gen Hybrid   that does not seem to recognize other human cylons?
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Tikey on November 29, 2007, 01:57:17 AM
You are overthinking. It's other actress.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on November 29, 2007, 04:21:26 AM
When starbuck was leaving Kendra behind, I swear the guy behind her putting on a space suit was Tyrol >_>
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Roy Fokker on November 29, 2007, 02:50:25 PM
Galactica is the last of the original twelve... they never said they stopped building ships of the same class after those.
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Post by: TripRussell on November 29, 2007, 03:46:12 PM
I have to agree with Roy.  Doral could imply that Galactica is the last of the original battlestars the 12 colonies constructed, each representing one of the 12 colonies (where Galactica represented Caprica).  The other variants, similar to Galactica, are the same class constructed after the war.  I could be wrong.  Does that make any sense? lol
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Josh_88 on November 29, 2007, 03:59:00 PM
you made sense, last of her kind as in last of the original 12.
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Post by: Bogdan on November 29, 2007, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: Josh_88;85382
you made sense, last of her kind as in last of the original 12.

 well we know what happend to columbia :D
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Crixx on November 29, 2007, 06:02:06 PM
As said before, I get the feeling from the miniseries that the Galactica is the only surviving Battlestar that was part of the original 12 "Anti-cylon" Battlestars.

It is unique in that it has no networks or advanced computer systems.

There could still be Battlestars that use the same hull design whilst Galactica is still the last of her kind.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Enki on November 29, 2007, 07:54:23 PM
Quote from: Crixx;85387
As said before, I get the feeling from the miniseries that the Galactica is the only surviving Battlestar that was part of the original 12 "Anti-cylon" Battlestars.

It is unique in that it has no networks or advanced computer systems.

There could still be Battlestars that use the same hull design whilst Galactica is still the last of her kind.


This line of reasoning only holds up if we dispense with the whole concept of what constitutes a "ship class".  The hull, propulsion plant and primary weapons suite IS the class.  Everything else is just support and superstructure.  Differences in support equipment, superstructure and fittings are identified by in-class flight or lot designations.

That's a nice boiled down version of how class designations work that I am sure the writers and CGI artists pay no heed to in detail.  I would be extremely surprised that they would have decided to put enough thought into changing what almost everyone perceives to mean class in naval vessels - hull form.

Applying Occam's Razor to the issue suggests scripts are most likely to be accepted at face value without any odd subtle redefinitions of commonly held assumptions.  BSG hasn't been written that way.

Occam's Razor also suggests reuse of GCI assets is done intentionally to control budgets of a small network, cable-only program.  Those reused assets inject a temporary visual discontinuity, but don't retcon the larger established themes and facts of the dramatic storyline.

Sorry if some of you don't like that, but RDM himself has said this isn't Star Trek with all the baggage trying to factually maintain a consistent technology-first view of how to write the stories.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: StarSlayer on November 30, 2007, 01:47:02 AM
Like Enki says a 688(i) might be drastically more effective, and technically more advanced then an pre-688(i) Los Angles but it still is considered a Los Angles class attack sub.  Heck the Super Hornet is almost a completely new airframe, despite the looks, but its still an F-18 (even if it is partially for budgetary reasons).

Though I'm surprized they didn't just use another Mercury or even a Valkyrie.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: David cgc on November 30, 2007, 03:54:55 AM
There were already two Valkyries at the shipyard. If the VFX guys weren't called on it by the writers, I think it's safe to assume that there were modern, upgraded Galactica-type Battlestars in service. I generally prefer not to outright ignore what's on-screen if it's at all possible.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Apocalypsse on December 01, 2007, 12:17:50 AM
Question:

Does it say anywhere in the series that Galactica was the last Columbia Class Battlestar in service? Not Battlestar of her "kind" or something very unspecific like that.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on December 01, 2007, 02:00:13 AM
Quote from: Apocalypsse;85484
Question:

Does it say anywhere in the series that Galactica was the last Columbia Class Battlestar in service? Not Battlestar of her "kind" or something very unspecific like that.


no in the miniseries all that was said was that she was the last of her kind.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: WMCoolmon on December 01, 2007, 10:22:11 AM
It's also possible that the Battlestar had been decommissioned before Galactica, and had been docked for months as it was stripped of equipment.

I do think that Doral's words should be taken with a grain of salt, he was acting as a tour guide. He's got every reason to embellish Galactica and call her unique, and play into the romance of her being a relic of a long-ago era.

It also plays into the toaster's plan. "Yes, the war is completely gone...there are no more Cylons...tehe."
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: CaptAidy1701 on December 01, 2007, 09:08:32 PM
Not that i like to brag people but i received my R1 Razor DVD on thursday last week from a reputable online retailer and its just awesome wont be shown on TV over here till the 5th and i saw the expanded edition on the 30th long before the US release date how barmy is that ?

Also the extended version shows the valkyrie class breaking up titanic style its just awesome.
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Post by: Wolfy on December 01, 2007, 09:24:24 PM
when u say "here till the 5th" if u mean in the UK, then it wont be the 5th anymore, check the TV listings for wednesday... however, latest rumours are th 18th december, which is a tuesday i think
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on December 01, 2007, 09:36:29 PM
Quote from: WMCoolmon;85501
It's also possible that the Battlestar had been decommissioned before Galactica, and had been docked for months as it was stripped of equipment.

I do think that Doral's words should be taken with a grain of salt, he was acting as a tour guide. He's got every reason to embellish Galactica and call her unique, and play into the romance of her being a relic of a long-ago era.

It also plays into the toaster's plan. "Yes, the war is completely gone...there are no more Cylons...tehe."


you know i just thought of another possibility. What if that columbia class was like a permanent resident at the shipyards? Disarmed and pretty much useless but used as a training battlestar for new crews. It would seem to make sense cos don't they use decomissioned ships for training even today?
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: TripRussell on December 01, 2007, 10:14:37 PM
Here is another possibility.. that particular columbia class (if that's what it is called in the revisioned) is in active duty.  Sure, it is in the same class as the Galactica.. but it may be scheduled to be decomissioned in a couple years, or so.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on December 01, 2007, 10:27:27 PM
Quote from: TripRussell;85539
Here is another possibility.. that particular columbia class (if that's what it is called in the revisioned) is in active duty.  Sure, it is in the same class as the Galactica.. but it may be scheduled to be decomissioned in a couple years, or so.


no cos that would still make it in active service and doral clearly said galactica was still in service. I can believe that they took the basic shell of a columbia and updated the inside and called it a different class but i don;t really think it was another columbia.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: TripRussell on December 01, 2007, 11:53:58 PM
that can be true.  an example with the u.s. navy, if i can recall it right, that the kitty hawk class aircraft carrier is an updated forrestal class aircraft carrier.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Crixx on December 02, 2007, 12:23:18 AM
Quote from: CaptAidy1701;85535
Not that i like to brag people but i received my R1 Razor DVD on thursday last week from a reputable online retailer and its just awesome wont be shown on TV over here till the 5th and i saw the expanded edition on the 30th long before the US release date how barmy is that ?

Also the extended version shows the valkyrie class breaking up titanic style its just awesome.


On a completely unrelated note (honest), where'd you order it? :p
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Post by: Enki on December 02, 2007, 12:36:01 AM
Quote from: TripRussell;85544
that can be true.  an example with the u.s. navy, if i can recall it right, that the kitty hawk class aircraft carrier is an updated forrestal class aircraft carrier.

Nope.  While the hull at the waterline is similar, from there up it is a far different ship.  

The flight deck is a completely different configuration, the modern standard, moving one of the elevators off the fore end of the landing area across the deck to in front of the island and pushing the island aft quite a bit.  There is much less armorplate and steel in the superstructure, making Kitty lighter despite being very slightly larger.  She also has a bass-ackwards interior layout that is confusing as all get out if you spent time on any carrier other than her or Connie.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on December 02, 2007, 01:34:00 AM
Quote from: Enki;85547
Nope.  While the hull at the waterline is similar, from there up it is a far different ship.  

The flight deck is a completely different configuration, the modern standard, moving one of the elevators off the fore end of the landing area across the deck to in front of the island and pushing the island aft quite a bit.  There is much less armorplate and steel in the superstructure, making Kitty lighter despite being very slightly larger.  She also has a bass-ackwards interior layout that is confusing as all get out if you spent time on any carrier other than her or Connie.


well in that case couldn't they have done something similar with the galactica hull design. I mean those two aircraft carriers still look damn similar so perhaps the same thing was done with similar designs as galactica.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: CaptAidy1701 on December 02, 2007, 01:54:38 PM
Quote from: Crixx;85546
On a completely unrelated note (honest), where'd you order it? :p


Play.com- International You will require a Region 1 DVD player or a hacked player to be able to play it but its in an awesome case and you'll get it before Sky One show it plus its the unrated extended version :pimp:

http://www.playusa.com/DVD/Region_1/CART/2-/3478732/-/Product.html?cur=513

Delivery is free too.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: StarSlayer on December 02, 2007, 05:54:31 PM
Quote from: P-90_177;85552
well in that case couldn't they have done something similar with the galactica hull design. I mean those two aircraft carriers still look damn similar so perhaps the same thing was done with similar designs as galactica.


That's his point though, there are structural changes to the ship.  Granted most  post Midway carriers look roughly similar, especially if you don't know what your looking for, but the island structure and the elevator are major changes that would be obvious if they sat next to each other on the pier.  Similarly there should be some structural differences if the Scorpion Galactica was a different class then 75.  Something like different positioning for the pod arms, or at least a change that maybe not be glaringly obvious but should show up.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on December 02, 2007, 09:16:57 PM
Quote from: StarSlayer;85595
That's his point though, there are structural changes to the ship.  Granted most  post Midway carriers look roughly similar, especially if you don't know what your looking for, but the island structure and the elevator are major changes that would be obvious if they sat next to each other on the pier.  Similarly there should be some structural differences if the Scorpion Galactica was a different class then 75.  Something like different positioning for the pod arms, or at least a change that maybe not be glaringly obvious but should show up.


true, but we only saw it for a second and at a distance and even at only one angle. For all we know there could have been additional gun turrets on the bottom or something. All we really know for sure is that in the shot it was seen as bigger than the mercury class. Since we know a columbia class is smaller than the mercury we can surmise that it was diferent class of ship (even if it was just a cgi mistake.).............basically what i'm saying is..........lets pretend we've seen more classes of battlestar than we actually have. :naughty:
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: TripRussell on December 02, 2007, 09:37:04 PM
or unlike the Galactica.. the ship is networked. lol
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on December 02, 2007, 10:16:09 PM
Quote from: TripRussell;85616
or unlike the Galactica.. the ship is networked. lol


well from what we know galactica was a special case. It didn't have a network because Adama refused to have one........but some how i don't think a network would make the battlestar gain mass......:lol:
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Post by: Enki on December 02, 2007, 10:44:25 PM
Quote from: P-90_177;85552
well in that case couldn't they have done something similar with the galactica hull design. I mean those two aircraft carriers still look damn similar so perhaps the same thing was done with similar designs as galactica.

They don't look similar at all!  That's my point.  You can tell the difference at a glance anywhere within about 20 miles as long as you are more than 45° off the bow.  The shape and position of the island is completely different. Look at the front of the island and main mast position, it is a good 250 feet farther forward on Sara, which puts it ahead of the middle of the ship rather than back at the 2/3 to 3/4 position of current deck layouts.

Forrestal (Sara's sister ship): (http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9193/img1925xp3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Kitty (in the middle):  (http://www.johnfry.com/Media/Valiant%20Shield-03.jpg)

The deck and silhouette differences are profound to anyone who spends time looking at carriers.
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Post by: P-90_177 on December 02, 2007, 10:54:11 PM
Quote from: Enki;85629
They don't look similar at all!  That's my point.  You can tell the difference at a glance anywhere within about 20 miles as long as you are more than 45° off the bow.  The shape and position of the island is completely different. Look at the front of the island and main mast position, it is a good 250 feet farther forward on Sara, which puts it ahead of the middle of the ship rather than back at the 2/3 to 3/4 position of current deck layouts.

Forrestal (Sara's sister ship): (http://bp3.blogger.com/_w0pPtKqUAbE/RtINTn19LzI/AAAAAAAACJo/JDFaVzD0pM0/s1600/IMG_1925.jpg)

Kitty (in the middle):  (http://www.johnfry.com/Media/Valiant%20Shield-03.jpg)

The deck and silhouette differences are profound to anyone who spends time looking at carriers.


errrr. the top pic doesn't come up for me.. But my point is why can't it be the same for the galactica and the scorpion fleet yards variant? They have a similar hull design but there are still differences, indicating that they are diferent classes.......i think we may have misunderstodd eachother somewhere along the way.
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Post by: Enki on December 03, 2007, 01:16:49 AM
Quote from: P-90_177;85630
errrr. the top pic doesn't come up for me.. But my point is why can't it be the same for the galactica and the scorpion fleet yards variant? They have a similar hull design but there are still differences, indicating that they are diferent classes.......i think we may have misunderstodd eachother somewhere along the way.

Don't know about the pic, it shows up here fine and i hot-linked it from a blog so it not a local thing.

As for the similarities, the Columbia look-alike in the yards has the outward appearance of a Columbia class, but the scale is WAY off.  As in two to three times too big.  That ship is in the far side of the scene and is substantially larger in angular size than the Pegasus even when farther away, which should make it commensurately smaller due to vanishing point perspective.  

It is quite clear the model is just a re-scaled Galactica CGI asset, and that significant up-scaling creates a fundamentally different ship story-wise.  I really think that's all there is to it.  They wanted to kill a really fracking big battlestar that wasn't a Mercury.  So they pasted in a scaled up Galactica model and accepted the visual oddity. The difference in size is much like the difference in external appearance between Kitty/Connie, JFK, and the Nimitz's, only even more exaggerated.  Those are all VERY similar ships externally, except for scale.  But that scale difference created three fundamentally different ship classes.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: David cgc on December 03, 2007, 01:46:50 AM
If you had already viewed the picture, it would still be in your cache when you looked at your forum post, even if the site it was on had anti-hotlinking measures in place. So you'd be able to see it, but no one who hadn't seen it on the original site would.

I think it would be better just to accept the scaling as a glitch. That first shot is clearly zoomed in an absurd amount anyway: The image looks almost perspective-less, which would increase the apparent difference in size. And considering that the too-big Battlestar isn't even docked at the same part of the station when it's destroyed, I'd be leery of taking too much of those shots as gospel.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Enki on December 03, 2007, 03:38:15 AM
Quote from: David cgc;85642
If you had already viewed the picture, it would still be in your cache when you looked at your forum post, even if the site it was on had anti-hotlinking measures in place. So you'd be able to see it, but no one who hadn't seen it on the original site would.


Well even with a cache wipe it's still visible here.  So I reposted via an imageshack hosting.  Not my pic, not the most wonderful shot, but good enough for here.  I did find a better one, but it was in a stock gallery for sale, wasn't going to mess with that.
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Post by: Tikey on December 03, 2007, 04:09:27 AM
Quote from: Enki;85636
It is quite clear the model is just a re-scaled Galactica CGI asset, and that significant up-scaling creates a fundamentally different ship story-wise.  I really think that's all there is to it.  They wanted to kill a really fracking big battlestar that wasn't a Mercury.  So they pasted in a scaled up Galactica model and accepted the visual oddity.



Actually I think it's a matter of perspective, and the false notion that the sector that holds the galactica class Battlestar is attached to the rest of the yard.
For me it's a little closer to the camera and much higher than the pegasus:

(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4497/balacticads5.jpg)
Something like that.

The area in green is what I thinks is confusing and giving the false image of being attached. If we only had a higher definition screenshot we could see if it is actually part of the yard or another section as I believe.
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Post by: StarSlayer on December 03, 2007, 05:39:32 AM
Tikey scores good idea points, yay Tikey
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Post by: Enki on December 03, 2007, 05:42:58 AM
That line of reasoning only works with a single frame.  Watching the episode that green dot area does not change as the camera scrolls and pulls out.  That means it is planar and connected, not un-connected and multi-level.  Not to mention none of the other shots of the shipyard or battle give any credence to a multi-level shipyard.

Also if it was higher and not connected it would technically be in a different orbit and would drift away over time.  Highly unlikely.
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Post by: StarSlayer on December 03, 2007, 05:46:34 AM
shh Enki, you're ruining it :p
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Post by: Tikey on December 03, 2007, 06:01:38 AM
Quote from: Enki;85661
Also if it was higher and not connected it would technically be in a different orbit and would drift away over time.  Highly unlikely.

I don't think the VFX crew would have that in mind.

But watching that particular scene again I see you are right, specially watching the camera movements and keeping and eye on that platform it's clear that it's attached.

Also watching closely the galactica class does seems to be scaled up, but not three times, I'd say it's about 1.5X times bigger than the bucket
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Post by: P-90_177 on December 03, 2007, 12:32:03 PM
Quote from: Tikey;85665
I don't think the VFX crew would have that in mind.

But watching that particular scene again I see you are right, specially watching the camera movements and keeping and eye on that platform it's clear that it's attached.

Also watching closely the galactica class does seems to be scaled up, but not three times, I'd say it's about 1.5X times bigger than the bucket


to be honest i don't think they would have thought about having two seperrate shipyards.
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Post by: Tikey on December 03, 2007, 01:25:40 PM
Meh, that would come as an aesthetic choice really. I thought it that way.
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Post by: Sidestep on December 03, 2007, 01:37:14 PM
I think it would make sense to have it on a few levels rather than spread out over a wider area, would make the structure stronger, as well as looking cooler!

But it does appear to be all on one level in the show...
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Post by: David cgc on December 03, 2007, 03:11:37 PM
At the beginning of the shot, in the upper right corner of the frame, you can see another, disconnected docking structure in the distance.
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Post by: Sidestep on December 03, 2007, 04:05:28 PM
Very good spot!

I guess they are shipyards plural after all...
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Post by: P-90_177 on December 03, 2007, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: David cgc;85699
At the beginning of the shot, in the upper right corner of the frame, you can see another, disconnected docking structure in the distance.


Quote from: Sidestep;85706
Very good spot!

I guess they are shipyards plural after all...


that is a very good call. it makes a lot of sense seeing as that one shipyard looks a little small to cater for the entire colonial navy. but i still believe that the struture we see is all one structure.
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Post by: karajorma on December 03, 2007, 05:28:39 PM
Well one part of it does appear to be free floating to me. Go up from the S in Scorpion in Tikey's picture. That part doesn't seem to be connected to the rest.
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Post by: P-90_177 on December 03, 2007, 05:52:07 PM
Quote from: karajorma;85714
Well one part of it does appear to be free floating to me. Go up from the S in Scorpion in Tikey's picture. That part doesn't seem to be connected to the rest.


i agree that particular part doesn't seemed to be linked but if you look to the left there isanother section that does appear to join the two sections.
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Post by: Sidestep on December 03, 2007, 08:07:12 PM
I'm not so sure, it looks as though it's in a much lower orbit to the rest of the platforms?
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Post by: DarkWrath on December 04, 2007, 04:52:42 PM
WARNING , MASSIVE SPOILERS AHEAD!


















The extended version is a MUST SEE! It adds a few more scenes , explains a bit about Shaw's  mother , more scenes from the shipyards showing a battlestar blown to pieces by nukes(in the first scenes) , Baltar discussing about the retro-cylons with his inner Six and a few more things. I will keep you up-to-date . Not sure about screens since it's not out yet , don't know if I am allowed... It also says a few things about Gina/Cain relationship (Not sure if that was in the aired version...)

Edit: Also a dogfight with William Adama from the first cylon war , Columbia getting nuked and how Adama found the Hybrid BS...

Edit2: Admiral's Cain sister was taken during CW by the Cylon from Cain's fault. Black hair , no asian face so no , it doesn't have a direct link to Six/Eight/Three...
Edit3: There's more Hybrid prophecies... Hard to get them since my headphones are toasted but the first is something like : " At last they've come for me. -something- at/in denial of one true path , played out in the world , not their own. It will end soon enough"
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Post by: RogueAngyl on December 04, 2007, 05:27:20 PM
Quote from: DarkWrath;85806
WARNING , MASSIVE SPOILERS AHEAD!

The extended version is a MUST SEE! It adds a few more scenes , explains a bit about Shaw's  mother , more scenes from the shipyards showing a battlestar blown to pieces by nukes(in the first scenes) , Baltar discussing about the retro-cylons with his inner Six and a few more things. I will keep you up-to-date . Not sure about screens since it's not out yet , don't know if I am allowed... It also says a few things about Gina/Cain relationship (Not sure if that was in the aired version...)

Edit: Also a dogfight with William Adama from the first cylon war , Columbia getting nuked and how Adama found the Hybrid BS...


Kinda makes you wonder if they are just trying to make more money or if SciFi is putting less faith in Galactica and not willing to commit the air time.  Kinda annoying either way I would love to see the extended version but not really excited about spending $20-$30 for a feature I was more than happy to watch on TV.  Eh, I'm more frustrated by the blatant having us by the balls state that it's in.  I can see one or two extended conversations, but it seems like what they showed us on TV was the bare minimum to tell the story.  Yeah it was good and all, but not being a big DVD buyer I can't really see spending the money on it.  Maybe if I'm lucky it'll be out to rent.
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Post by: Enki on December 04, 2007, 05:34:39 PM
Quote from: RogueAngyl;85807
...but it seems like what they showed us on TV was the bare minimum to tell the story.

That's it.  They wanted to make a movie but are contractually prevented from doing that by the contract with Glen Larson, he holds the rights.  So they made a TV episode and sold the DVD which they ARE allowed to do.  All they really wanted to do was go straight to DVD but they couldn't.  So they hold back some scenes to make the DVD a viable purchase after the main episode airs.
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Post by: DarkWrath on December 04, 2007, 05:51:25 PM
100% bare minimum... there are a lot , just too many things there that are not in the aired version. One more prophecy , continuing from the first one:

"-Something- Before , glorious in awakening , scribbling the knowledge of the true self , repaying/replaying the revelation , bringing new clarity.

 In the mids/mist of confusion you will find her , enemies -brought together?- by impossible longing , enemies now , joined as one , the way forward , unlikable yet inevitable.

 And the fifth , still in shadow , towed toward the light , hungry for redemption , that will only come on howls of terrible suffering.

 I can see them all , seven , now six , self described machines who believed themselves above sin , but in time it is sin that will consume them all. They will know emptity , bitterness , de-something- bluntly splintering many of them.

And then they will join the promise land , gathered on the wings of an angel , not an end but a beginning."

Sorry for the bad quality , my English is just not good enough to get every word and it's echoing as well :(
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Post by: RogueAngyl on December 04, 2007, 06:55:30 PM
Quote from: Enki;85808
That's it.  They wanted to make a movie but are contractually prevented from doing that by the contract with Glen Larson, he holds the rights.  So they made a TV episode and sold the DVD which they ARE allowed to do.  All they really wanted to do was go straight to DVD but they couldn't.  So they hold back some scenes to make the DVD a viable purchase after the main episode airs.


Just plain ridiculous.  I have little patience for such squabbling, but such is the nature of the beast I suppose.  In other words it's no better than seeing a movie on ABC or NBC that's been hacked to pieces for content, time, commercial breaks, etc.
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Post by: meleardil on December 04, 2007, 07:26:52 PM
RogueAngyl: if you dont like it, just dont watch it, and you can spare lots of stresspills.

Basically it is a 'watch it at home movie'. :) They circled around the barriers to release a theater movie. Definitely much better than not to have anything at all. I am actually glad they did it.

Please notice, that no one pointed a gun to your head to buy it. :p You complain because you could not see the FULL for relatively free on TV.

Shall I complain, because they added extra content and scenes onto Lord of the rings DVD, and did not release the full 3.5 hour versions into theaters? *bah!*
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Post by: DarkWrath on December 04, 2007, 07:27:49 PM
Me too since it adds a LOT to the story...
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Post by: Destructor!!! on December 04, 2007, 08:45:54 PM
^ Debate closed, well done!

Now, in the extended version, did anyone else notice how they used the BTRL afterburner sound during the Adama flashback fight near the Columbia?
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Post by: RogueAngyl on December 04, 2007, 09:03:45 PM
edit: nevermind
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Post by: Wolfy on December 04, 2007, 09:24:34 PM
ummm, u sure BTRL doesnt use the sound from Battlestar Galactica? that seems to be how it works around here :P
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Post by: Turey on December 04, 2007, 10:30:28 PM
Quote from: Destructor!!!;85818
^ Debate closed, well done!

Now, in the extended version, did anyone else notice how they used the BTRL afterburner sound during the Adama flashback fight near the Columbia?


It's the same AB sound they've been using since the Miniseries (Starbuck "kicking in the burn" when attached to Apollo's ship) and BtRL made their sound as close as possible to the in-show sound.
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Post by: Sidestep on December 04, 2007, 10:53:38 PM
What about the CGI Darkwrath, is it an improvement or just some missing scenes?
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Post by: DarkWrath on December 05, 2007, 04:28:53 AM
From what I have seen missing scenes , but those are a lot...TOS Baseship vs Vipers and BS Columbia , atmosferic fight and a few more.
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Post by: Wolfy on December 05, 2007, 05:00:48 PM
I noticed the galactica firing one of its guns, but, that might just of been to promote it more...
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Post by: TripRussell on December 06, 2007, 12:38:23 AM
I concur with Wolfy.  Nice to see at least one of the battlestars, in that operation, fighting back.
Title: Spoiler Alert
Post by: Reven Feyd on December 10, 2007, 05:30:56 AM
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Frak me.  I just saw this and am finally caught up and yet...Starbuck is the harbinger of armageddon?  WTF?  Seriously?
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Post by: P-90_177 on December 10, 2007, 05:35:53 AM
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Frak me.  I just saw this and am finally caught up and yet...Starbuck is the harbinger of armageddon?  WTF?  Seriously?


well why not? I mean in the final episode of season 3 she came back from the dead.......it's starbuck........she can be whoever the frak she wants.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Reven Feyd on December 10, 2007, 06:02:09 AM
Starbuck may be the best Viper pilot in the fleet but that doesn't alter the fact that she died...came back to life and is now possibly the harbinger or the apocalypse.  Which then asks, apocalypse for who - the Cylons or the humans?
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Post by: StarSlayer on December 10, 2007, 07:02:57 AM
Quote from: Speedy;85816
Everyone's going nuts over this picture.  I'll simplify the answer.  FOV.  It may seem closer to the camera, but it's not.  As you should all know by now the show experiments with field-of-view quite often.

Notice at the top right the placement of the battlestars.  You can see they are far apart.  yet in the 3d view, Galactica, as Tikey puts it, seems to be closer and above Pegasus, when it's not.  (Both ships are on a flat plane, none is higher than the other)


So they FUBARed the scale of the Pegasus and Galactica type?
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Post by: Wolfy on December 10, 2007, 12:20:27 PM
nah, they just totally FURARed :D

as for the apocalypse, im pretty sure its RDM and that silly Cylon playing tricks with our minds, i mean, they dont give us anything straght (neither RDM OR Guis's head Six tell anything straght)
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on December 10, 2007, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: Reven Feyd;86280
Starbuck may be the best Viper pilot in the fleet but that doesn't alter the fact that she died...came back to life and is now possibly the harbinger or the apocalypse.  Which then asks, apocalypse for who - the Cylons or the humans?


Yes...that is of course the question we are left thinking about.......It's what RDM wants........:cool1:
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Post by: StarSlayer on December 10, 2007, 03:16:36 PM
Maybe she's the harbinger of the Rockalypse or the Metalocaplyse
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Post by: Angelus on December 10, 2007, 03:30:43 PM
Hm, that's ok as long she's not the Harbinger of the Polkalypse...
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Enki on December 10, 2007, 06:11:40 PM
Quote from: Reven Feyd;86280
Starbuck may be the best Viper pilot in the fleet but that doesn't alter the fact that she died...came back to life and is now possibly the harbinger or the apocalypse.  Which then asks, apocalypse for who - the Cylons or the humans?


Rewrite as:

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Starbuck may be the best Viper pilot in the fleet but that doesn't alter the fact that it looked like she died... then came back to life and she is now possibly the harbinger or the apocalypse.  Which then asks, apocalypse for who - the Cylons or the humans?


Starbuck was seeing the head Heavy Raider, why couldn't Lee be seeing a head explosion?  Very simple and removes a lot of potential shark jumping for the low price of coming up with a place for her to land on another ship we haven't seen yet, or have travelled through some sort of jump gate not aboard a ship.
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Post by: Wolfy on December 10, 2007, 06:49:25 PM
hope its not

i feel theres enough head thigns as it is, i mean, theres head Siz, head Giaus, Head Leoban, Head Snakes!, head Opera Halls on Kobol, etc etc
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Reven Feyd on December 10, 2007, 07:35:57 PM
Quote from: Enki;86314
Rewrite as:



Starbuck was seeing the head Heavy Raider, why couldn't Lee be seeing a head explosion?  Very simple and removes a lot of potential shark jumping for the low price of coming up with a place for her to land on another ship we haven't seen yet, or have travelled through some sort of jump gate not aboard a ship.




Yeah but wasn't the atmo of the planet crushing the Viper to begin which asks the question, could Starbuck eject without getting crushed in the atmo?
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Post by: Crixx on December 10, 2007, 10:41:28 PM
Space wizards did it.
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Post by: Enki on December 10, 2007, 10:54:36 PM
Quote from: Reven Feyd;86319
Yeah but wasn't the atmo of the planet crushing the Viper to begin which asks the question, could Starbuck eject without getting crushed in the atmo?


Who said her ship ACTUALLY exploded? Or was crushed into an explosion?  All we have is what Lee saw.  Sure that was on screen, a nice Viper explosion with chunks and all, but so was Starbucks head Heavy Raider.  The only thing we can take to the bank is that RDM wanted us to think that Starbuck's ship blew up.  

And that Space WizardsŪ are to blame.:p
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Post by: David cgc on December 10, 2007, 11:03:41 PM
In the Tomb of Athena on Kobol, there were some pretty advanced holographic projectors. It's possible the same technology could've been used to fake the Viper explosion.
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Post by: Tedward01 on December 10, 2007, 11:36:59 PM
man, i missed that episode, though perhaps she fel into a portal wich triggered a hologram, or like the classic episode with the crazy white lights and prince of darkness who brings baltar (70's), but the poirtal sent her to earth
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Post by: Angelus on December 10, 2007, 11:41:56 PM
Quote from: Tedward01;86353
man, i missed that episode, though perhaps she fel into a portal wich triggered a hologram, or like the classic episode with the crazy white lights and prince of darkness who brings baltar (70's), but the poirtal sent her to earth


Do not mention stuff like that here in this forum please, or we can start talking about flying Bikes and spoiled little brats, dressed in white, giving suggestions to a 80 years old white-bearded Admiral Adama...:p
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Post by: Cl1nt on December 11, 2007, 09:22:35 AM
RDM has stated his fascination with hover bikes you know ;)


Since we're all throwing out ridiculous claims.. maybe the planet WAS the ship... and she merely went through an airlock.
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Post by: CooperHawkes on December 11, 2007, 01:23:52 PM
my 5 cents:

everything works out fine, if starbuck is (some kind of) cylon, she downloaded to the heavy raider at her death and apollo was just so busy to find her, that he didnt see the heavy raider.
all the other explanations i already saw are .... cheap in some way. i think the "planet is a ship"-explanation was more of a joke, but why do you need to explode to enter a dock :) ?
if it was a portal of some kind she would have to be cylon, too, cause why did she know it was there? after all she needed a little hint by the heavy raider to get the exact location, so the cylons knew she knows (if the raider was real. if it wasnt... her destiny brought her that far, only to need a hint from her own headraider to get the exact location) and nobody can tell me, its all about her destiny and shes 100% human, that would be one step too far with the religious-thingy.
and if they go for: she ejected, the viewer and apollo just didnt see it...phew that would be enough for me to say: frak bsg. thats like the old black/white shows like flash gordon, where you clearly see a car jumping down a cliff from the top view and then the episode ends with "to be continued" ... at the beginning of the next episode you see the driver jump out of the car right before the cliff (from a different view-angle) and the only thing you think is "that didnt happen, couldnt see it last time". screwing things up like this just for dramatic purposes is cheap like hell... but we already saw enough proof, to know: bsg-authors arent cheap like that.
there are too much details the viewer gets, that apollo didnt see, that wouldnt be necessary for the viewer to see, if its some kind of hologram, like the hole in starbucks cockpitglass and the ice on her helmet. kind of proof enough for me to say: its real. no starbuck-head thing, no apollo head-thing, cause starbuck passed out while the viewer gets this things to see.
id say, starbucks cylon, she died, downloaded via heavyraider-mobile-download-device.
i think the cylons great plan is to let em get to earth, to set the tension, so they HAVE to go to earth. they wanna wipe out every human life! so if you dont know the exact location, let yourself lead by someone. the colonials dont need to go there, if they can settle on a planet an live in peace, for example. they need a good reason: survival.
the "harbinger of the apocalypse" is just frakking around with the colonials heads, either cause the cylons fear, that starbuck could lead the fleet to earth and theyll be in a good condition to really fight back and let the cylon plan go down right in front of their goal (if starbuck is something like the final five, that are "different"). or just to let the tension stay at a high level, so the fleet arrives at earth in bad condition, they fight themselves inside the fleet and eventually their number is lowered , cause they couldnt concentrate on cylon attacks, that were meant to lower the number of humans in the fleet, so the fleet isnt a real threat, when it comes to the final fight above earth.
in short: most of the explanations just feel cheap. it really would dissapoint me if something like a portal would show up, or they just say " :p , it was a hologram" (yeah and boxy wakes up at the end of the series "ohhh... it was all a dream. daggit come here").

what i really think about since i saw the flashbacks, is: adama made some kind of connection, where he could see and hear things, that happened in the room, where he puts his hand into the pool...hm...
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Post by: Cl1nt on December 11, 2007, 01:50:29 PM
Of course it was a joke. I'm taking a stab at all the people who are making outright ridiculous theories.

Truth be told, we'll probably never be shown what actually happened to her.
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Post by: CooperHawkes on December 11, 2007, 02:43:37 PM
Quote from: Cl1nt;86423
Truth be told, we'll probably never be shown what actually happened to her.

probably would be the best solution.
oh and it was you who said something bout the airlock? should have taken that into account, before taking it serious ;)
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on December 11, 2007, 03:07:34 PM
I say lots of things. And of course it's the best solution. as far as I recall, I'm the first one to say it ;)
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: DarkWrath on December 12, 2007, 01:49:27 PM
Also read the Hybrid's prophecy again... it says one thing : The fifth , turned to the light , seeking redemption... just check who is doing that and there's your last cylon :D
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Enki on December 12, 2007, 06:04:13 PM
Almost sounds like Deanna, but...
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Angelus on December 12, 2007, 06:12:14 PM
Quote from: DarkWrath;86485
Also read the Hybrid's prophecy again... it says one thing : The fifth , turned to the light , seeking redemption... just check who is doing that and there's your last cylon :D


Darth Vader?
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: P-90_177 on December 12, 2007, 08:01:46 PM
Quote from: Angelus;86491
Darth Vader?


Lol. Or seven of Nine perhaps.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on December 12, 2007, 08:34:14 PM
Quote from: P-90_177;86493
Lol. Or seven of Nine perhaps.


nah, face it, its obviusly the Arbiter from Halo 3.

That whole, Turned to the Light, seeking redemtion thing does once again sound like Giaus Baltar, seeming hes back the the colonials after a trial, and appears to now need to seek redemption
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Angelus on December 12, 2007, 09:04:49 PM
And the best way to be redeemed is: to be worshiped by a whole bunch of strange-behaving women, maybe a little orgy...:p


but you are right, Gaius Baltar is in the top 3 of the most likeliest Candidates for the fifth Cylon.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Tikey on December 12, 2007, 09:19:22 PM
Well, I had written a really great post explaining everything, but the computer crashed, so you will just have to imagine that I'm absolutely right. ok?

Anyway, I'd be pretty disappointed if they make Baltar a cylon, as I see it, he is the representation of humanity, with all its flaws and occasional good will.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on December 12, 2007, 09:42:25 PM
im just personally not that sure who else is obviusly needing redemption, however, they all seem to require redemption in some way or other...

ah well, we'll see in season 4
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Slamscape on December 13, 2007, 12:37:00 AM
It's not Baltar, because then it would be too easy to say hes the bad guy.

"He let caprica six into the defense mainframe because deep down he was a cylon" its too easy.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Angelus on December 13, 2007, 01:13:58 AM
Well, he didn't know that he's a Cylon ( in case he IS a Cylon ), as well as the other Cylons don't know who the final five are. The three model ( Deanna? )  discovered the truth and was boxed....i'll stop right here and wait for the things to come.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: David cgc on December 13, 2007, 03:59:55 AM
Quote from: Slamscape;86502
It's not Baltar, because then it would be too easy to say hes the bad guy.

"He let caprica six into the defense mainframe because deep down he was a cylon" its too easy.


In fact, that's exactly why Baltar himself hoped and prayed he was a Cylon. Then he wouldn't have been tricked by Six, and wouldn't have betrayed anyone, and wouldn't feel guilty anymore. If he were a Cylon under deep cover, then he would've just been doing his job in a war, not failing everyone he'd ever known in the worst possible way.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: WMCoolmon on December 13, 2007, 11:04:00 AM
I'm convinced that Baltar is not a Cylon.

I'd toss out Lee Adama for a candidate. I can't think of any idealistic Cylons; he's kind of seeking redemption. He's close to every other significant character in the story. He's not an obvious choice like Starbuck.

And him turning out to be a Cylon would have serious ramifications for everyone else in the show. What would it do to Adama Sr? To Roslin? To the human fleet, for whom he's the only non-dead pilot hero? What does it mean when your most idealistic, heroic, self-sacrificing soldier turns out to be a member of the enemy?

Plus there's just that awesome opportunity for betrayal. Leadership is grudgingly given to Starbuck to lead the human fleet to earth. Starbuck gives Lee a position of trust. While everyone is suspicious of Starbuck as the suspiciously-back-from-the-dead-one, Lee metaphorically or literally shoots Starbuck in the back and sets up the human race for utter destruction. (There would also be the irony that he was almost the one warned about his own betrayal in Razor)

OK, come to think of it, maybe that would be a bit cliche'd. I'd like to see that as an alternate-universe thing, though. :D
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: karajorma on December 13, 2007, 12:56:01 PM
Just to add another name to the hat, Athena fits the description perfectly too. At that point in time she hadn't yet been allowed back into the Colonial fleet and was definitely trying to seek redemption for her species' actions during the war.

Since we don't know why the final five made sure that the others didn't know about them it might be possible that as well as planting spies amongst the humans they planted one amongst the Cylons too.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on December 13, 2007, 01:13:51 PM
RDM said it wouldn't be either Adama or Lee, nor Roslin.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on December 13, 2007, 01:34:54 PM
Quote from: karajorma;86519
Just to add another name to the hat, Athena fits the description perfectly too. At that point in time she hadn't yet been allowed back into the Colonial fleet and was definitely trying to seek redemption for her species' actions during the war.

Since we don't know why the final five made sure that the others didn't know about them it might be possible that as well as planting spies amongst the humans they planted one amongst the Cylons too.


So, your saying Athena might not be just another number 8? she might be a totally different model which looks exactly the same? but also, what about the Head-Six in giaus, or the six in the holding cells?
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on December 13, 2007, 01:58:15 PM
The head six/leoben/gaius are probably something to do with the final five, but they change their appearance to be someone the person cares about.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Slamscape on December 13, 2007, 02:13:28 PM
RDM said the final five are supposed to be different than the other 7 cylon models. I doubt that they are sleeper agents just waiting to betray the fleet, since the other 7 models don't even know who they are.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: karajorma on December 13, 2007, 03:35:06 PM
Quote from: Wolfy;86521
So, your saying Athena might not be just another number 8? she might be a totally different model which looks exactly the same?



Basically, yes.

If one of the final 5 was going to infiltrate the Cylons it would have to look exactly like one of the other models. Notice that all the other cylons are basically similar in the way they act. When they boxed the 3's they didn't just box the one who was getting obsessive, they boxed them all because they all had the same problem.

Yet Athena acts very different from the other 8's.


Of course that might just be cause she's in love with Helo and they aren't. But I figure that it's worth considering that there must be a reason why 4 of the final 5 suddenly got their memories back but one didn't. Unless it's Starbuck of course. :)
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Enki on December 13, 2007, 05:13:40 PM
Athena isn't that different from the other 8s.  There have been discussions of boxing the 8s because they are weak and unpredictable where humans are concerned.  That general human sympathetic trait was also a primary factor in why Athena was chosen to mate with Helo.

As for Lee, even if we ignote RDMs guarantee he isn't one of the final five, he doesn't fit by any stretch of logic.  He grew up as a baby with a full family.  Too much history there.  The other 4 all have memories, but no evidence of real solid irrefutable family trees behind them.  Athena and Chief both talk of their parents and memories, but nobody else has.  If Lee was going down that road the Admiral would have to be Cylon too, and that's one too many.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Enki on December 13, 2007, 05:27:05 PM
What about Shaw?  "Turned to the light" could be a reference to setting off the nuke which definitely makes a lot of light, and that act definitely was one of desired redemption.  

Would she download somehow/somewhere and return to the cast?  Don't know, but there was a lot of time spent developing her specific character for a show that was supposed to cover what happen with Lees command of Pegasus and fill in backstory of how Pegasus got to the RTF.  Both of those aims could easily be met in a myriad of other ways as well.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: karajorma on December 13, 2007, 06:08:59 PM
Might explain why the Cylon Hybrid knew who she was.

Don't buy it though. RDM said that Razor wasn't so much planned from the beginning as a case of him realising halfway through season 3 that there was a backstory that could be told. Seems unlikely he'd do that just to shoehorn in the 5th of the final 5.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: wiley on December 13, 2007, 06:31:54 PM
Quote from: karajorma;86529
Might explain why the Cylon Hybrid knew who she was.

Don't buy it though. RDM said that Razor wasn't so much planned from the beginning as a case of him realising halfway through season 3 that there was a backstory that could be told. Seems unlikely he'd do that just to shoehorn in the 5th of the final 5.


Right, and he also said that he left clues to who the fifth cylon is BEFORE razor was aired. Assuming that's true it will not be any new character in razor or upcoming episodes.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Snagger on December 13, 2007, 06:45:34 PM
It has always struck me that Bill Adama is just a little to wise to the ways of the Cylons, too smart, to in-control and too tough for a man his age (keen on boxing, beat the hell out of Leoben, while tough Starbuck got beaten badly by 6), ace fighter pilot...  He's too infallible, too perfect.  But Christ, I love the character.  I'd love to have that gravitas and command presence.:biggrin1:
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Sidestep on December 13, 2007, 07:53:49 PM
I hope it's not Bill!

If it was Bill, wouldn't that mean that Lee and Zac were the first half Cylon, half Human babies though?
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Angreifer on December 13, 2007, 07:54:34 PM
What about Zarek? We've got no history about him except for his past as a anti-government terrorist. He's the one who got Baltar into office, and that combined with his limited past certainly gives him something to atone for. He's played a pivotal role in many events during the fleet's journey. He's also had his life on the line on a number of occasions (Starbuck almost shot him, he almost got shot by the Cylons on Kobol, he was almost executed on New Caprica) and yet he always manages to survive, that interesting trait Anders and Tigh seem to share. I definitely think Zarek could be a candidate.

However, I shall hold out for my supreme dream of...the return of Billy, who turns out to not be dead because he's really the fifth hidden Cylon! :D
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: David cgc on December 13, 2007, 10:13:24 PM
Also, Zarak stood up to the Cylons (well, the Significant Seven) on New Caprica, same as Tori, Tyrol, Tigh, and T. Anders. Which reminds me, he's also got a name that begins with "T."

I'm pretty sure the last Cylon has to be a woman, judging by D'anna's drawings, but if it weren't for that, I think Tom Zarak would be a prime candidate.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Enki on December 14, 2007, 02:09:29 AM
Quote from: David cgc;86542
Also, Zarak stood up to the Cylons (well, the Significant Seven) on New Caprica, same as Tori, Tyrol, Tigh, and T. Anders. Which reminds me, he's also got a name that begins with "T."

I'm pretty sure the last Cylon has to be a woman, judging by D'anna's drawings, but if it weren't for that, I think Tom Zarak would be a prime candidate.


Not to poke too many holes, but just having a name with a T in it isn't exactly a strong correlation. Tory may not even be a proper name, but a nickname for Victoria!  Anders middle name starts with a T, but his first name is Sam.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Sparky on December 14, 2007, 08:39:16 AM
Has anyone considered the possibility of it being Ellen Tigh?  I mean, she appears out of nowhere in season one when she should have been dead, and within hours manages to plant more tension and distrust in the fleet than all of the other Cylon sleeper agents combined.  Yes, Baltar supposedly tested her, but as head-six pointed out, it is funny how all of his tests come out negative after Sharon's test revealed hertrue nature.

Plus I think whoever it is, it isn't someone currently aboard Galactica.  I think that the four gathered in that room because whatever forces compelled them to do so, and the only reason the fifth was not there was because they couldn't be.  So that leaves Ellen, Billy, Kat, Boxey, or the guy using the head on Pegasus during Exodus II. :p  Then again, it could be on of the pilots, since they were a tad preoccupied at the time.  Could explain why Lee was so hesitant about joining the fight. ;)
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Snagger on December 14, 2007, 09:33:46 AM
Quote from: Sparky;86564
Has anyone considered the possibility of it being Ellen Tigh?  I mean, she appears out of nowhere in season one when she should have been dead, and within hours manages to plant more tension and distrust in the fleet than all of the other Cylon sleeper agents combined.  Yes, Baltar supposedly tested her, but as head-six pointed out, it is funny how all of his tests come out negative after Sharon's test revealed hertrue nature.
, Laura,Bill and Lee, just for starters.  I think it's too obvious.  The thing is that the Five seem to be working against the other seven, not sharing any of their goals.  They seem to be an entirely different faction and the four we know are certainly on humanity's side.  Approaching it from an angle of who has thrown the fleet off balance the most is wrong - it'll be a core "glue" member.  I still think Adama is a likely candidate.  

Quote from: Sparky;86564
Plus I think whoever it is, it isn't someone currently aboard Galactica.  I think that the four gathered in that room because whatever forces compelled them to do so, and the only reason the fifth was not there was because they couldn't be.  So that leaves Ellen, Billy, Kat, Boxey, or the guy using the head on Pegasus during Exodus II. :p  Then again, it could be on of the pilots, since they were a tad preoccupied at the time.  Could explain why Lee was so hesitant about joining the fight. ;)
 It could also explain Starbuck's reappearance in the Galactica's vicinity at exactly that moment...
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Reven Feyd on December 14, 2007, 10:26:34 AM
I've heard tell somewheres by the by that the final cylon has been on the show since season one.  If that is the case then the search may need to be narrowed down.  I've heard some pretty good arguments for Lee Adama - but seriously, a "switched" at birth story just doesn't cut it for me.  

The five have a purpose and I believe that purpose is to protect humanity...so this leaves us with some intresting choices like say Gaetta, who have both been there from the begining Dualla.  Gaetta especially, with the New Caprica thing.  Something to consider.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Roy Fokker on December 14, 2007, 09:25:17 PM
I think it would be perfectly symmetrical if it was Starbuck's father... there's so much that points to something like that in the Starbuck-related episodes... think about it - it would tie into her "destiny" storyline, and the concept that the children of Cylons and humans are the shape of things to come - Starbuck, as the first one, leading the way, and Hera and Tyrol's kid right after her...
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Post by: Cl1nt on December 15, 2007, 06:53:52 AM
Interesting point Roy.

And I'm repeating this because some people just refuse to accept it.. it will NOT be Adama or Lee. RDM came up with a list of reasons why it just wouldn't work, and honestly... it'd just be stupid.

With the Music thing.. I believe it's probably someone not on galactica.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Roy Fokker on December 15, 2007, 01:54:45 PM
Quote from: Cl1nt;86605
With the Music thing.. I believe it's probably someone not on galactica.


Ahem... Starbuck's dad is a composer?;)
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Post by: Crixx on December 15, 2007, 09:02:00 PM
I'd so laugh if the first episode of Season Four reveals that the four "final five" revealed cylons were actually just tripping off their tits.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Sidestep on December 30, 2007, 01:57:45 AM
I've been saving the retail version of Razor for 2 days after getting it to have 2 hours spare to watch it properly... and it's only 1hr 35 long. Anyone know why?
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on December 30, 2007, 02:08:03 AM
The TV cut was only 1 hr 35 long.

Sounds like you got a fake.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Sidestep on December 30, 2007, 02:14:15 AM
Then Amazon are in a lot of trouble...
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on December 30, 2007, 02:51:26 AM
Compare what's on your disc with what's on the retail release. Did you get any special features, subtitles etc.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Wolfy on December 30, 2007, 03:19:40 AM
the DVD version i got from Amazon was the DVD version... The DVD version does have more in it thn the TV version, for instance, the bttle at the shipyards appears to be longer, the Adama flashback starts during the fight above the ice planet and not on the surface, and a few other things.

Also, theres special features, such as all the minisodes, season 4 stuff and deleted scenes
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Sidestep on December 30, 2007, 11:58:05 AM
The DVD I got was the same Wolfy, just thought it was going to be 2 hours long!
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on December 30, 2007, 12:34:35 PM
I'm fairly certain it should be!

Watch it and tell us if there is a battle involving the Battlestar Columbia, and Husker crashing.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: David cgc on December 30, 2007, 02:48:08 PM
Quote from: Sidestep;87701
The DVD I got was the same Wolfy, just thought it was going to be 2 hours long!


Did you start watching from the Chapter Selection Menu, or by pushing the play button? You have to specifically select that you want the extended version to play by selecting "Play" in the main menu, and then selecting "Unrated Extended Version." Otherwise, the TV version plays by default.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Sidestep on December 30, 2007, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: David cgc;87707
Did you start watching from the Chapter Selection Menu, or by pushing the play button? You have to specifically select that you want the extended version to play by selecting "Play" in the main menu, and then selecting "Unrated Extended Version." Otherwise, the TV version plays by default.


That must be it, I'll have another go.

Thanks guys, is it too late to enter for the Idiot of the Year award?
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Post by: Wolfy on December 30, 2007, 04:18:01 PM
nope, and if it is, then you can be in next years. Sound like a deal? :D
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Post by: Sidestep on December 30, 2007, 05:40:16 PM
Deal:nod:
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Post by: WMCoolmon on December 31, 2007, 01:20:34 AM
Quote from: Crixx;86629
I'd so laugh if the first episode of Season Four reveals that the four "final five" revealed cylons were actually just tripping off their tits.


It's Battlestar Galactica, not Blacktar Galactica. :p
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Post by: Reven Feyd on December 31, 2007, 04:58:06 AM
Quote from: WMCoolmon;87740
It's Battlestar Galactica, not Blacktar Galactica. :p


I thought it was Baltar Galactica...
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Post by: Sidestep on January 05, 2008, 12:18:55 AM
Quote from: David cgc;87707
Did you start watching from the Chapter Selection Menu, or by pushing the play button? You have to specifically select that you want the extended version to play by selecting "Play" in the main menu, and then selecting "Unrated Extended Version." Otherwise, the TV version plays by default.

Sorry to annoy everyone, but I'm on the main screen, pressing "Play" on the "Play Extended Feature" option and I've skipped through and it's still 1h35min long. I've checked "Scene Selection", "Set Up" and "Bonus Material" and I can't find an option for the 2hr version. Have Amazon really given me a duff DVD?

And just to amend, there was no option to play the "Unrated Extended Version", it just plays.
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Post by: Wolfy on January 05, 2008, 12:30:10 AM
well, in the Adama flashabck scene, if it starts with the battle in spacee, then its the extended, if not, its the TV version
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Sidestep on January 05, 2008, 12:35:59 AM
Just checked, yes it does, but that doesn't stop it being 1h35 long!???:confused1
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: David cgc on January 05, 2008, 12:44:07 AM
Quote from: Sidestep;88020
Sorry to annoy everyone, but I'm on the main screen, pressing "Play" on the "Play Extended Feature" option and I've skipped through and it's still 1h35min long. I've checked "Scene Selection", "Set Up" and "Bonus Material" and I can't find an option for the 2hr version. Have Amazon really given me a duff DVD?


You're pressing "play" on your remote? Not "enter?"

If worse comes to worse, select RDM's commentary. It'll play the extended version, then you can use the "audio" button on your remote to switch back to the normal audio track.
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Post by: Sidestep on January 05, 2008, 12:52:25 AM
Yep, I made sure I followed your last instructions to the letter.

Just skipped through and still 1h35 with the commentary.

I'm gonna kick Amazon's ass :mad2:
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on January 05, 2008, 10:37:00 AM
Maybe the movie is only 1h 35 mins... Could any one here actually bother to check?
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Tikey on January 05, 2008, 11:32:04 AM
1:43:31 from the begining to the very end of the credits
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Post by: Fergus on January 05, 2008, 05:00:15 PM
The telly release version was 2 hours in total including adverts, so you're still seeing the extended version on the DVD but it's not a whole 2 hours long, as there's no adverts in it.  Whereas the telly version minus adverts is much shorter than 1 hours 40 mins.
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Post by: wiley on January 05, 2008, 06:15:10 PM
By my calculations, Aired version = 1hr. 27min. 29sec.
                     Extended Version = 1hr. 43min. 31sec.
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Post by: David cgc on January 05, 2008, 09:50:29 PM
Quote from: Sidestep;88025
Yep, I made sure I followed your last instructions to the letter.

Just skipped through and still 1h35 with the commentary.

I'm gonna kick Amazon's ass :mad2:


No, the last chapter stop begins at 1 hour 35 minutes. Congratulations, you've found the extended version.
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Post by: Wolfy on January 06, 2008, 12:25:55 AM
well, glad we cleared that up. However, the the special feature minisodes and deeted scene, season 4 trailer, etc etc it proballt adds up to 2 hours.
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Post by: Sidestep on January 06, 2008, 06:00:36 PM
Yep, turns out it was the right version in the first place!

Oh well, thanks for all your help guys!
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Post by: Cl1nt on January 07, 2008, 05:37:58 AM
Darwin you've failed us.

Just kidding lad, it happens to the best of us.
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Post by: Sidestep on January 07, 2008, 08:35:28 AM
It's all those guys saying there was an epic 2 hour version out there, got me a bit over-excited!

I have already put myself forward for this years Darwin award...
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on January 07, 2008, 08:43:40 AM
With the might of the BtRL voters on your side, you'll beat Hilary in no time.
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Jangiri on May 12, 2008, 03:55:56 AM
who ever said the ship at the dock was a battlestar. anymore
maybe it is just used as a cargo ship
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: Cl1nt on May 12, 2008, 04:26:21 AM
Oh gods no, not again...
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Post by: Tikey on May 12, 2008, 04:31:43 AM
You know it's thriller!
Thriller in the night

(http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/12/12/thriller460.jpg)
Title: BSG Razor *Spoilers*
Post by: karajorma on May 12, 2008, 06:54:52 AM
Let's not bump old threads without good reason.