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Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Paramedic on October 14, 2006, 02:09:37 AM
i slowed down the giant explosion of the preview of episode 304 ( exodus part 2 ) and somthing odd is shown when a basestar is blowm up. it almost looks as if the pegasus rams the basestar. im going to try to upload the picture ASAP.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 14, 2006, 02:15:50 AM
Holy crapnuts. I hope you're wrong, and I hope they upload it to SciFi soon.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Paramedic on October 14, 2006, 02:24:46 AM
Ok im having trouble uploading the section of the preview in which "somthing does indeed ram into a basestar" it does have the size to be a battlestar but its hard to make the distinction of the pegasus. we know it wont be galactica, but what other ship could it possibly be, this has me worried:shaking:
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 14, 2006, 02:28:06 AM
Eeek Suicide Run!

I'm going to rewatch it when it airs again in a half an hour.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 14, 2006, 04:06:45 AM
I saw the promo again, and I do believe that Lee brings the Beast into the fight. Also, I heard Adama damn somebody (couldn't tell if it was "Dee" or "Lee"), and I saw Gaeta holding a gun to Baltar's chin. Ominous.

I still couldn't make out what was making that Basestar go all 'splodey. If I had to hazard a guess, it looked more like a nuke than a ship, and we know that Galactica still has like three of those... I personally believe that Adama is cashing in all his chips with this rescue op, and he won't hold back.
Title: I have heard 1 of 3 possible Scenarios
Post by: Paramedic on October 14, 2006, 04:08:20 AM
1) Pegasus Rigs the ship for collision and RAMS a base star and allows the remainder of the fleet to escape.
2) They come across a military convoy wtih possible another battlestar and use the convoy to ram the base star.
3) an entirely different ship all together rams a base star.

i hope they dont write the pegasus out just yet.:nervous:
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Paramedic on October 14, 2006, 04:09:33 AM
ive actually personnally slowed down the scene with the base star exploding IT IS A SHIP, i just cant tell which one, it is as clear as day somthing rams the base star.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 14, 2006, 04:17:29 AM
Quote from: Paramedic;43312
ive actually personnally slowed down the scene with the base star exploding IT IS A SHIP, i just cant tell which one, it is as clear as day somthing rams the base star.


Hmmm... ominous.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: StarSlayer on October 14, 2006, 05:31:57 AM
You can go by size if its somthing hella bigger then the baseship then its the peggy
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: ngtm1r on October 14, 2006, 05:54:08 AM
I guess Lee will go back to his Viper.

Dammit, I liked the Pegasus!
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Ender on October 14, 2006, 10:18:10 AM
ok i'm in britain and havent even seen ocupation yet but i did hear that peggy was gonna ram a basestar, i also heard that another battlestar with it's own fleet of destroyers was gonna be found from the same site, i dont have the link but they also predictid things like sharon becoming an officer and starbuck and leobans child, from what i've heard they've all came true :pimp:
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: sykochild on October 14, 2006, 02:39:26 PM
******Spoiler Spoiler******


Do not read this if u do not want to be spoiled!!!


********************************

It's all true then. Starbuck and Leabon have a child, Sharon does become an officer again so all of it must be true.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: EchoZero on October 14, 2006, 06:26:11 PM
My theory:

Both Peggie and Galactica jump in, with Pegasus being a diversion.  She eventually leaves but not exactly to plan, hence the "Jump Lee!" part of the preview by the Admiral.  Lee and the Pegassu go to the rendezvous point as ordered.  As for the explosion we see in the preview,  I think it looks like a colonial mover ramming a base star, not a battlestar.  However, it is damned hard to tell what it is.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: StarSlayer on October 14, 2006, 07:33:13 PM
The previews up on SciFi.com and its kinda tough to make out what the hell exactly is going on in that shot(watched it a bunch of times and paused it).  It looks like a baseships involved but the other craft doesnt look like a Mercury Class looks to small to be a BSG in fact.  Guess well have to wait in see :)
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: I'm geeK on October 14, 2006, 07:42:04 PM
Quote from: EchoZero;43346
My theory:

Both Peggie and Galactica jump in, with Pegasus being a diversion.  She eventually leaves but not exactly to plan, hence the "Jump Lee!" part of the preview by the Admiral.  Lee and the Pegassu go to the rendezvous point as ordered.  As for the explosion we see in the preview,  I think it looks like a colonial mover ramming a base star, not a battlestar.  However, it is damned hard to tell what it is.


But there is a problem... Pegasus wasnt SUPPOSE to be at New Caprica.. The plan was for Cmd. Adama to take the the civvy fleet and go to the randevous point and wait 18 hours for Adm. Adama. If he didnt return in 18 hours Lee would  leave to find Earth... So wtf is Pegasus doing there? I think 1 of 2 things are going to happen:
1.) Lee comes up with a plan to keep the civilian fleet protected while he disobeys orders and jumps to NC to help out the old man..
2.) Both Adamas come to some sort of agreement and decided to commit both Battlestars to the operation..

According to the old series the Pegasus IS destroyed in an engadement with the Cylons.. I dont think Ron Moore is going to try and get away with letting both the Galactica and Pegasus reach Earth.. One of them is going to go...

Same with Baltar. He was Imperious Leader in the old series, so I think its safe to assume he plays some sort of God like role in the Cylon religion.. he did he create them after all.
Dr. Baltar + Cylons = Baltar being the creator = "God" to the Cylons?

ya follow me?
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Akula on October 14, 2006, 09:13:31 PM
Those are some good theories, but I think you're taking to much of an "in-universe" perspective when you're considering the consequences of killing the Pegasus.

Let's start with the title of the Show. Originally the show was called "Battlestar Galactica" because the show was set ON the Battlestar Galactica. It allowed for the creation of characters - such as Boxy - who might not have been otherwise allowed. When this character was revived for the mini-series and Re-imagined series, there was no where for the character to go. It didn't work having a Civilian kid on a military ship when there were 20+ other ships for him to sail on. Killing off the Pegasus re-directs the attention back to the Galactica, which the show is all supposed to be about.

Consider to the difficulties they've had in showing both ships at the same time. Forget about the special effects, look at the plot. When you have two ships in the fleet you have two differant plots developing on each ship. It's almost impossible to keep them interconnected. And the same thing with the characters - BSG is supposed to be first and foremost a Drama, you can't have a Drama when half the characters are on a differant ship half the time.

I would hate to see the Pegasus die, I really would. But from a plot and character stand point, it could be the best thing in the show. All the Pegasus characters would either die (fascinating plot device) or have to shift over to the Galactica, leading to all of them being more prevelant on the show. Either of those to factors only increases the drama and intensity of the show.

From an in-universe stand point, that would also solve some of the current personel problems both ships are suffering from.

I've been looking at the Baltar=Cylon thing a little bit more and there's a couple of very damaging scenes that clearly suggest he's not. Because if they turn around and change that now, they would literally be destroying several key episodes of BSG. The first that comes to mind is Downloaded, and all the ensuing events with Caprica-six. If Baltar is a Cylon, why did she need to go to Caprica and corrupt him? Assuming that she still needed to, why is she - and not he - hailed as a hero for the destruction of the colonies? Everyone says that "She" (Caprica-Six) is responsible for everything they have been able to do - why not Baltar? Why not make him the hero?

Further, his attempts to work with (and sometimes against) the Cylon Council on New Caprica doesn't fit with the behaviour of the other Cylons. There would be no need for him to surrender humanity.

I submit that some Cylons (Boomer) work against the Cylon purposes, but she was already used for her purpose. Not manipulated into it, she did what they wanted her to do, and that was it. Baltar has had to be coaxed and guided every step of the way - it doesn't fit with the Cylon pattern of behavior. If he was truly THAT independent, they'd have boxed him. The only reason Caprica-Six and Sharon weren't boxed was because they killed the other lady. If she was such a stringent supporter of Cylon Unity, she would have pushed for his boxing before she pushed for the boxing of Caprica-Six or Sharon. The last piece of evidence is the line in the latest episode "Caprica, can't you control him?" If the other lady - D'anna Biers - is in charge of boxing models then that comment should have been directed at her, implying that she is in charge of controlling Baltar because he is a Cylon. This would have been a confusing implication in the event of the show that would have provided more discourse in the discussion that Baltar may or may not be a Cylon.

As has already been pointed out in this thread, the creators of BSG are very good about preventing inconsistancies. Changing the way Baltar has operated up until now would only undermine everyone of those scenes listed above. While it's possible (even probable) that they would do that just to confuse everyone watching the show, I don't think it's likely.

Nor do I think it is likely that Baltar is something like a God to the Cylons. The Cylons believe their "God" has a higher power, a spiritual power. They do not ever attribute this to Baltar, but instead imply several times that his will is his own, not for Cylons to understand. The attempts are to create a Christianity like religon for the Cylons, in which they might have figure heads (IE: D'anna Biers as a "prophet" from the Cylon God and Hera as a significant baby) but they don't have a physical entity that IS their God. Otherwise they would just turn around and ask him if killing humanity was a sin - and if they needed to atone for it by helping to "Save" the race.

Additionally, if there was a Cylon leader -why is there a Cylon council using Baltar on New Caprica? Shouldn't the "Great Leader" just come forth and issue directives in his own name, instead of acting mysteriously by giving someone a dream that may or may not be true?

The fact of the matter is that this is not TOS (the original series) this is Battlestar Galactic Re-imagined. Anything can and will happen, and when it does, it will probably not be what you expect. But one thing is for sure - what does happen isn't going to happen based on TOS, it's going to happen based on where the story takes us. That's probably the most fascinating thing about BSG to me - it's not driven by the ratings, or the needs of the company, or the desires of the personal writers. BSG is a true character-driven drama. It has no agenda of it's own, unlike most television series, and THAT I think is why it's so wildly popular.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Roy Fokker on October 14, 2006, 10:17:09 PM
I have watched the preview repeatedly, and I don't think the basestar was rammed at all - first of all, it was already burning, and ramming it wouldn't result in a sudden explosion. I believe that the object we see moving is not another ship, but one of the arms of the upper "star" of the basestar itself... it breaks off as structural integrity fails, and kaboom! It can be a crash between two basestars, though. The dradis screen confirms this - there is no battlestar in the vicinity, just two basestars dangerously close, a raider between them and two vipers nearby.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Akula on October 14, 2006, 10:29:33 PM
Yeah Roy - I have to agree. At first I thought for sure it looked like it was getting rammed, but after looking at it again, it just looks like it's blowing up.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Werthead on October 14, 2006, 10:36:47 PM
Surprised to see that apparently no-one else spotted what I did.

Adama says, "Damn you Lee!" Obviously the Pegasus jumps in to help out in the fight, possibly threatening to upset Adama's plan.

Then we see a shot of the entire GalacticaC-in-C shaking as if from a massive impact. We hear Adam yell, "JUMP!" We then see the basestar looking like it's already exploding. However, the larger explosion that rips through the basestar looks like it could also be a jump distortion.

Conclusion: Galactica rams the basestar but jumps out as it does so. The distortion wave from the jump obliterates the basestar.

It seems to be possible to use hyperspace jumping - the ability to instantly materialise an object at any point in space/time - as a weapon. I haven't see that since a Minbari warcruiser opened a jump point right in the middle of a human fleet to destroy it in the Babylon 5 prequel movie. Good tactics, though.

EDIT: Another possibility would be the judicious use of the transponders from the two captured Heavy Raiders to confuse the basestars, causing them to ram one another or fire on the wrong targets etc.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Ender on October 14, 2006, 11:51:16 PM
this is all well and good and i'm happy that peggy might survive but hwo do u explain waht looks like Lee getting into a viper mark 7,
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 15, 2006, 12:01:19 AM
Quote from: Werthead;43373
I haven't see that since a Minbari warcruiser opened a jump point right in the middle of a human fleet to destroy it in the Babylon 5 prequel movie.

...Or since Halo 2, or since Firefly... lol just kiddin'
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: skimmons on October 15, 2006, 01:36:28 AM
I think you are all missing the point of it.  If the peggy does die that means there will really be no more big space battles unless they find another battlestar.  Before the pegasus arrived the galatica could barely stand toe to toe with a basestar let alone destroy one.


Second is how the hell are they gonna replace the vipers.  If you all remember from eposode "Scar" the pegasus is the ship that can produce vipers.  The galatica will simply run out of ships and then they will die.  

Either way killing the pegasus would be a huge mistake and would limit the plot significantly.  Other than the fact that i love the huge ass space battles and without the peggy they really arn't that possible.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 15, 2006, 02:09:46 AM
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/

I don't think it's Galactica and it's definitely not Pegasus. The scale is too far off. It's definitely something colliding, not a nuke blast or one of the Basestar's arms breaking off.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: EchoZero on October 15, 2006, 03:00:34 AM
I've taken some screen grabs of the collision and it looking more like Galactica with flight pods retracted hitting the center axis of a base star.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: skimmons on October 15, 2006, 03:47:22 AM
It could be a tilium freighter.  remember the eposode where apollo blew up the base with a couple of bombs.  They might have one ram a basestar.

On second thought though the promo pics for torn are up on nbc site and they show the eposode torn with apollo wearing a flight suit for a viper.
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Post by: ngtm1r on October 15, 2006, 04:03:08 AM
Possibly with the shortage of pilots he got back in the cockpit and Dee commanded the Pegasus?

"Commander Dualla."

EDIT: Great, now I've got Balthar's voice stuck in my head saying that the same way he said his "Commander Adama, are you a Cylon?" line in Season One.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Werthead on October 15, 2006, 12:16:12 PM
If they're doing the ramming thing, Galactica is a poor choice due to its lighter armour. Pegasus could probably plough through basestars (not the sturdiest-looking ships around) and survive to tell the tale.

They've released publicity pictures for the next few episodes here (http://www.galacticastation.com/Gallery/Episode/se3/se3.htm). Absolutely no shots on the Pegasus set. They're a couple of Lee, but he appears to be on Galactica. :(

OTOH, Adama looks pretty happy for someone who's just inadvertantly lost the most powerful ship in his fleet and the best chance for mankind to survive. Maybe the producers are toying with us?
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Roy Fokker on October 15, 2006, 02:28:23 PM
I have seen those promo images for the next two eps before, but those celebration images don't seem to imply the Pegasus is lost, which would be a HUGE blow to their chanses for survival.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: skippy9146 on October 15, 2006, 03:14:06 PM
Hard to tell what's going on there... From that DRADIS shot there doesn't seem to be a Battlestar in between the 2 Basestars, but a "enemy fighter"...

I dunno, maybe someone's flying in a Viper by remote with a nuke strapped on it to get a "2 fer" on the closely grouped Basestars & open up a hole in the Cylon defense perimeter?


(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f113/skippy9146/DRADIS.jpg)
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: EchoZero on October 15, 2006, 04:01:00 PM
Here is the sequence I captured:  I still say the first frame I posted earlier makes it look like Galactica with flight pods retracted, but the other shots make me think not.  It is too slender along the long axis of the ship.  I have no idea what it is.  Whatever it is, it went boom.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: skippy9146 on October 15, 2006, 04:20:23 PM
Damned hard to tell what that is... I even tried to Photoshop some shots of it at the moment of detonation. Maybe some modelers have a clue?

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f113/skippy9146/Explode1.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f113/skippy9146/Exp.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f113/skippy9146/exp2.jpg)
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Roy Fokker on October 15, 2006, 05:05:38 PM
Well, I don't even what's supposed to be a second ship in those shots, but if it's the thinger on the upper right, one thing is certain, I think: it doesn't look like a battlestar.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Roy Fokker on October 15, 2006, 05:35:24 PM
Guys, any Canadians present?

It appears that the Canadian preview was completely different, and has shown a lot more. I'm not sure if it's true, but someone posted this in the SciFi.com BSG BBoards:

Quote
In the Canadian preview for the upcoming episode.. we got to see a lot more.

There was some dialogue where Adama asks the helmsman to Jump (or something about the Jump drive), and the helmsman sort of sadly breaks that the jump drive is down, dead, or gone.

Then you see Adama say "That's it then, its' been a pleasure"

Cut to a clip of the galactica getting hammered big time by a missile (possibly a nuke).

During this preview we also saw vipers and raptors swooping in on the planet surface.. guns a blazing, bullets flying everywhere. You can see the galactica entering the atmosphere in the blue sky. Needless to say the battle will be one of epic proportions.. trumping the action of Resurrection Ship Part II.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 15, 2006, 05:37:10 PM
^I call shenanigans. Canadian shenanigans.

Thanks for getting some quality shots of our UFO up here.

I can't find that low-poly model scale chart showing the entire RTF that someone posted a long time ago on Scifi Meshes. That would help us ID this thing... but I like the "two-Basestar collision" theory alot.
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Post by: Roy Fokker on October 15, 2006, 05:44:42 PM
Quote from: Nothing_But_The_Rain;43464
^I call shenanigans. Canadian shenanigans.


Good to know. That sounded rather suspicious. Frak them trolls.
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 15, 2006, 08:12:31 PM
I was leafing through a copy of BSG Magazine in the grociery store today, and I came across two interesting tidbits, one in an interview with Dean Stockwell and another in one with Tricia Helfer.

Tidbit one (from the DS I.V.): There are, as stated, 12 humanoid cylon models. We've seen seven so far, but the remaining five are supposed to be so secret that even the "significant seven" don't know who they are. But, at the same time, they do know who they are... it's just that the seven are programmed to supress any knowledge of the other five models's identities as Cylons. These final five are the ultimate ghosts, with their purposes and identities (consciously, but not subconsciously) unknown to their other seven brethren, but still acting under orders from whatever supreme authority the Cylons obey. Wow.

Tidbit two (from the TH I.V.): This one is exceptionally fascinating, because it gives us a huge clue towards resolving the Baltar/Six invisible doppelganger mystery. I'll spoiler tag it though, because of the potential ramifications.

[spoiler]Apparently, the humanoid Cylons can "project their own environments around them," creating whatever background environment that they want, and they interact with it just as if the environment were real (not unlike the Matrix), while at the same time being somewhere else. (Hey, wait a minute! That sounds like Baltar's mental Caprica villa, where he goes to do Six while dozing in the lab! Insert ominous music here.) Also, they can share their "projections" with other Cylons.

Apparently, "filming these scenes is very difficult," what with a conversation between two Sixes involving one Six being in a mental forest and another being in a cathedral, and all the while they're actually inside a Baseship (but their mental version of a Baseship interior- more plain and "ship-like," without the organic, physiological look to it that we saw in Kobol's Last Gleaming Pt. II). However, in Helfer's opinion, "the extra effort that goes into filming these scenes is worth it."[/spoiler]

Sweet Zombie Jesus, the ramifications. That "really bakes your noodle," doesn't it?
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Josh_88 on October 15, 2006, 08:19:26 PM
I dont care what it looks like they are not going to have galactica ram something and go boom. i mean it is battlestar galactica, they arent going to end the series this fast and then have next year's spinoff- battlestar pegasus or colonial one....the only ship left.   i think its pretty safe, and im pretty sure i heard somewhere the peggy wouldnt make it through this season, but looking at those pictures it's too small, because i've seen the size chart nothing_but_the_rain mentioned and the peggy is very much larger then a basestar..... guess we wait and see.
if i were them id sacrifice one of the fleet's smaller ships (ie transport of some sort) and just move all the people off before sending it in.
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 15, 2006, 08:21:31 PM
^Or, it could be a case of one of the transports being too damaged in the escape to make the jump, and it "heroically sacrifices itself."
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Post by: I'm geeK on October 15, 2006, 08:42:42 PM
There is going to be 5 Seasons. Ron Moore already stated that in numerous interviews before the release of season 3. So rest assured the Battlestar Galactica is going no where... Pegasus on the other hand will and is going to go sometime this season...

And to say that w/ out Pegasus the space battles will be a thing in the past is presumptious and without logic.. The Vipers can put on a hell of a' show without huge warships slugging it out.. There is hardly any major Galactica fights in season 1 so something had to have kept people hooked for the CGI. Thats where the vipers come in.

Plus we saw Pegasus take on two Basestars in the episode "Captains Hand" and take a beating no doubt about that.. And I'm pretty sure no one had anything bad to say about how the CGI played out. So you dont need HUGE ASS capital ships to make the "space battles" attractive. Hell I liked seeing Scar and Starbuck duke it out in a asteroid field. In a way thats more exciting than seeing a Basestar vs. Galactica..
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Post by: Ender on October 15, 2006, 09:01:03 PM
this may seem noobish but i always thought thats some parts of a battlestar could be removed like landing bays, guns, and armour. i know it may sound a bit extreme but what if when the Beast does kick the bucket (no pun intended) would it be possible to transfer over some of the major stuff. i personally would love to see galactica benefit from pegasus landing bays as they have 4 and i also would love to see galactica benefit from pegasus's armours and guns. that means galactica could stand up to basestars and wecould keep the big space battles, also galactica could get a starboard hanger deck basc in commision eject the gift shop lol, well after my noobish rant does that actaully sound fessible
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Post by: I'm geeK on October 15, 2006, 10:06:25 PM
It could be possible I'm sure but at the same time you might need to reverse engineer some of thing things that Galactica would salvage. Dont forget where the Galactica was in the miniseries. Just a little ways short of being decommisioned. So Galactica is an old bird for sure. I'm sure Galactica could salvage armor plating and things of that nature.. But as far as taking off a whole flight pod I dont know. Maybe.. you'd have to ask someone who knows Galactica's specs inside and out... I highly doubt it tho.

The ships could obviously be salvaged given the chance the non-combat ready Vipers, and Raptors arent destroyed in the destruction. Weapons are more tricky.. Pegasus  would own Galactica in the event that the two were forced into in an engadgement.. To say short "Ressurection Ship Pt. I (&) II" had me scared for Galactica.. It would've fought back, but in the end the Pegasus would have left Galactica a smoldering heap of metal floating in the cold darkness of space... I hope I'm making sense, and if I'm wrong please corect me.

PS: If Pegasus has a store of nukes left, you can cont on next to nothing surviving from Pegasus...
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Post by: ngtm1r on October 15, 2006, 10:09:40 PM
Quote from: skippy9146;43457
Damned hard to tell what that is... I even tried to Photoshop some shots of it at the moment of detonation. Maybe some modelers have a clue?
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f113/skippy9146/exp2.jpg)


That looks like a Movers. You can just make out the Y-setup containers at the middle and end.
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Post by: Dodger on October 15, 2006, 11:26:17 PM
in fact the 3 secods consist of 5 different scenes (watch the light!): it starts with 1.) Damn you Lee! (dark light), 2.) Dradis-screen 3.) Adama shouting JUMP (orange light maybe emergency light) 4.) Adama turning away from flash (maybe  nuke hitting Galactica (and standart "console-explosion") and finaly 5.) some frakking ship colliding with Basestar (definitely no Battlestar- just too small and different shape) (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/CHriSMesS/nopeggy.jpg)
that my point of view after watching that scene(s) 150 times (in slowmo)!!!!!!!

and I think thats the best theory for the unknown vessel:
Quote from: Nothing_But_The_Rain;43484
^Or, it could be a case of one of the transports being too damaged in the escape to make the jump, and it "heroically sacrifices itself."

(or maybe it's just a viper after Lee tryed to put his fat ass inside ;) J/K)
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Werthead on October 15, 2006, 11:39:57 PM
Trying to track down a Canadian promo for the episode. If this show had Lost's audience someone would have put it up 20 microseconds after it had aired. Then again, if BSG had those viewing figures, it would have been sanitised into mediocrity.

So we can guess that the plan is as follows:

Galactica jumps into orbit. All hell breaks loose. The five baseships close on Galactica. Once they are in position, five unmanned civilian freighters jump in and ram the basestars, destroying them (presumably laden with tylium, explosives, Galactica's two or three remaining nukes or other nukes from Pegasus). However, something goes wrong. One or two of the basestars managed to survive the onslaught. Pegasus jumps in and takes care of them.

Of course, if it is a freighter in that shot, this does absolutely nothing to confirm or deny reports of Pegasus' demise.

Hang on, this seems to be the Canadian BSG website (http://www.spacecast.com/BSG/episodes.asp), although no trailer for Exodus, Part 2 yet. Certainly their trailer for Exodus, Part 1 seems different to the US one, so we might be in luck. The synopsis does say that Galactica is attacked by four basestars.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Josh_88 on October 15, 2006, 11:50:47 PM
as was said, for sure you could salvage or take parts from pegasus for galactica.... a flight pod almost certainly no. they are 2 different class of battlestars and big G's not made to have a double pod like that. it could probably be done but even in a full shipyard would likely take forever. however it works i doubt there will be much to salvage, and people seem to forget what it was like before peggy, remember in the mini when they left ragnar, galactica didnt do a whole lot of offensive damage, but held its own very well while the fleet escaped. either way i cant wait to see how it turns out
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Werthead on October 16, 2006, 12:09:41 AM
Remember that Pegasus is twice the size of Galactica (unless Cain was exaggerating) so if Galactica nabbed the flight pods, it would look pretty ridiculous with the flight pods sticking out at either end. Plus Galactica has to retract her pods to jump and given that Pegasus' pods aren't designed to retract, that would be a pretty unlikely scenario.

He. Help this helps:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/FRAKHEADS/boom.gif)
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: KypFisto on October 16, 2006, 12:15:05 AM
From that it looks like its neither Pegasus nor Galactica. The texture of the colliding ship is too smooth to be either of them.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Werthead on October 16, 2006, 12:21:23 AM
I see now the similarities to a Mover. The OBSG Movers had a cylindrical section slung along the side, looking a little like a gun or something. That vessel does look like it has something similar right at the top.

(incidentally, in my googling quest to get a Mover image, I learned that someone actually a housemoving company in Canada called Colonial Movers!)
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Josh_88 on October 16, 2006, 01:31:30 AM
i too can see the similarities but i think its too large to be one of the movers, but it seems too big, i can see what is the basestar but then it looks like theres too much other mass there. hm... and yes peggy is much larger then galactica... maybe not twice as big, but close
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: EchoZero on October 16, 2006, 01:43:24 AM
I now doubt it is a collision at all.  The explosion starts on the basestar.  There is a ship closer to the camera.  Part of it is translucent, which you can see as the explosions occur.  Maybe its a cylon freighter?
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 16, 2006, 01:46:22 AM
Quote from: Werthead;43500

He. Help this helps:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/FRAKHEADS/boom.gif)


Also, interesting to note- there are actually two explosions in this sequence, and the larger one is completely separate from the colliding ship. One is the "scrambled eggs"-like explosion on the lower left that looks like crumple damage from the collision, and the second starts as a faint pink-orange glow in the upper right, spreading and intensifying within fractions of a second (looking almost like a nuclear blast...). It also appears to be coming from within the upper arm of the Basestar.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Josh_88 on October 16, 2006, 03:31:34 AM
but note that whatever the other things is its glowing red orange at the start of that clip already, so it is already damaged... so i think the best explanation is still a transport too damaged sacrificing itself.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: I'm geeK on October 16, 2006, 04:21:46 AM
lol what if all of us are blowing this way out of proportion and its just a simple shot of a basestar being destroyed..?

that would own me. HxC
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Roy Fokker on October 16, 2006, 04:24:48 AM
Quote from: EchoZero;43506
Maybe its a cylon freighter?


Exactly what I was thinking. The shape makes sense, and there should be some in orbit.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: I'm geeK on October 16, 2006, 04:36:33 AM
Have we even been exposed to a Cylon freighter in this series yet?
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 16, 2006, 04:46:56 AM
Quote from: I'm geeK;43514
lol what if all of us are blowing this way out of proportion and its just a simple shot of a basestar being destroyed..?

that would own me. HxC

Pwnt.

It's not like we're LOST fans, guys, c'mon geez!

(...Just kiddin'.)
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: I'm geeK on October 16, 2006, 04:51:44 AM
lol Truuuuu that bud.

(i know this is off the topic by a land slide but is there any clans already formed for this game?)
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 16, 2006, 05:09:06 AM
Not certain. I'd love to be a part of one, if there aren't any squadrons springing up already. I'm a bit of a noob myself.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: I'm geeK on October 16, 2006, 05:12:17 AM
Quote from: Nothing_But_The_Rain;43525
Not certain. I'd love to be a part of one, if there aren't any squadrons springing up already.


Well uh.. any squads forming/formed?
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Josh_88 on October 16, 2006, 05:14:58 AM
yes there are, there should be some posts somewhere. you can see some people's sigs have banners for their squads.

and yes we could be blowing this way out of proportion... but its more fun this way, i want it to be a double ship collision, so its more fun like this haha.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 16, 2006, 05:17:58 AM
Quote from: Josh_88;43529
yes we could be blowing this way out of proportion... but its more fun this way, i want it to be a double ship collision, so its more fun like this haha.


There could be Snakes on their Basestar.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: I'm geeK on October 16, 2006, 05:19:08 AM
And maybe JUST maybe Sam jackson..

I'm sick of these motherfrakkin' snakes, on this motherfrakkin' battle....thing....
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Roy Fokker on October 16, 2006, 07:01:24 AM
Quote from: I'm geeK;43517
Have we even been exposed to a Cylon freighter in this series yet?


Yup. Kobol's Last Gleaming.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 16, 2006, 01:49:32 PM
Quote from: Roy Fokker;43554
Yup. Kobol's Last Gleaming.

Holy crap, Fokker, you're right. Check out this picture from KLG Pt.II, and one of a Cylon transport from TOS, and then the .gif of our bogey. I think we may have a winner.

(http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/d/d0/Cylon-Transports.png)
(http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/8/8a/TankerSide.jpg)
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/FRAKHEADS/boom.gif)
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: skippy9146 on October 16, 2006, 01:58:05 PM
Quote from: Nothing_But_The_Rain;43567
Holy crap, Fokker, you're right. Check out this picture KLG Pt.II, and one of a Cylon transport from TOS.


That sure enough looks like the deal... Right shape & everything.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Roy Fokker on October 16, 2006, 04:29:01 PM
Here's a more convincing picture of the TOS tanker/freighter:
(http://www.firedragon.com/~cfleets/gallery/ships/cylontanker00.jpg)
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: skippy9146 on October 16, 2006, 06:02:15 PM
Quote from: Roy Fokker;43573
Here's a more convincing picture of the TOS tanker/freighter:
(http://www.firedragon.com/~cfleets/gallery/ships/cylontanker00.jpg)


Yep, I think that's it!

In this pic, I think we're seeing it from the bottom with the bow portion (between the left of the explosion & that "white smear") coming off & pointing towards the lower left corner.

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f113/skippy9146/cylontanker.jpg)
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Akula on October 16, 2006, 06:05:28 PM
That freighter appears in the game as a heavy Re-Fueling freighter, too. And by the game, I meant the cheesy arcade game by Warthog.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: skippy9146 on October 16, 2006, 07:15:54 PM
Quote from: Akula;43585
That freighter appears in the game as a heavy Re-Fueling freighter, too. And by the game, I meant the cheesy arcade game by Warthog.


The less said about that game, the better. It was a OK idea torpedoed by lousy gameplay execution.

I bought that a few months after it came out, from the "bargain bin" for $15 bucks for the hell of it & I still felt ripped off!
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Post by: Akula on October 16, 2006, 11:50:26 PM
I rather thought the gameplay only suffered in two places - the energy torpedoes, and the constantly annoying third person perspective. I really would have liked to have been in the cockpit, except when executing things like that 180 flip.

All that being said, if you know how to work the controls, the gameplay really is fantastic. The game isn't bad....if you ignore the recharging missiles and the plot, and just take alot of joy in blasting baddies from a souped up Viper.
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Post by: skippy9146 on October 17, 2006, 01:32:04 AM
It was the targeting controls that screwed me up for the most part - made it hard to get things done before time was up.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: I'm geeK on October 17, 2006, 04:18:46 AM
Wow that is a Cylon freighter... I had no idea. Thank you very much.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Akula on October 17, 2006, 07:00:17 AM
RANT:

Heh. I agree with that. I've had the game since it was new and just this year I figured out that holding the laser trigger down does differant shooting then pumping it repeatedly (In case your wondering, holding it down sprays fire out as fast as possible, pumping it fires your lasers in bursts and has some auto-aiming features).

The thing is, the BSG game is a Simulator-PC game that tries to be an Arcade-Console game, and the two just don't mix. There are some games you NEED a joystick to play (The entire X-Wing series, Starlancer are a few that come to mind) and not JUST because the game requires them, but because it's impossible to handle your ship with comparable skills when playing with or against people who DO have joysticks. The thing is, if I'm correct (and I believe I am) the BSG game was developed off the SAME engine that Starlancer was built off of, and Starlancer tells you you need a joystick to play. Do the math, it's not going to convert well to a console game at all.

Console "simulators" should be limited strictly to arcade style of gameplay, which the BSG game doesn't have.

Leave the simulators to the PC's, and take all the arcade games you want. Serious simulator players don't play on a console.

ON TOPIC:

Could someone do me a HUGE favor and draw a little circle around a still frame of whatever object everyone is looking at that supposedly rams the basestar? I'm really having a hard time seeing it now that those animated gifs are all up.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: skippy9146 on October 17, 2006, 05:27:01 PM
Here's the little beggar Akula....

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f113/skippy9146/tanker2.jpg)

Compare that with the pics of those cylon tanker/transports.

Thanks for the info on that BSG game - that explains a lot. I may take another crack at it, if I'm overcome with bordom.
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Post by: Josh_88 on October 17, 2006, 08:21:01 PM
im surprised none of us thought to go back and look at that freighter earlier. i remembered that episode and the freighter even, just never thought to look and compare the ships
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Werthead on October 17, 2006, 11:35:19 PM
To make the wait a bit more cruel, some news from composer Bear McCreary:

Quote
"The first three episodes underwent some major surgery in the post-production process, even before I was brought on board to score. This is most evident in this week's "Exodus, Part I." Scenes that were cut from 301 and 302 got nudged into this week's episode (the entire D'Anna / baby subplot in fact!), and the battle sequence of the script's second half evolved into next week's episode.

I'm glad this decision was made for two reasons. Firstly, this week's episode now features extended character development scenes that ran the risk of being cut from the show. Secondly, it means that next week's episode is the most kick-ass 44 minutes you'll ever experience!"
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 18, 2006, 12:56:17 AM
Quote from: Werthead;43729
To make the wait a bit more cruel, some news from composer Bear McCreary:

Quote:
I'm glad this decision was made for two reasons. Firstly, this week's episode now features extended character development scenes that ran the risk of being cut from the show. Secondly, it means that next week's episode is the most kick-ass 44 minutes you'll ever experience!"


Fuck yes.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: skippy9146 on October 18, 2006, 02:17:25 AM
Quote from: Nothing_But_The_Rain;43732
Fuck yes.


Yup!:yes:

Anybody that disturbs me during BSG this Fri, will face some serious consequences!:nod:
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Post by: Shinzon on October 18, 2006, 02:18:58 AM
yes thats very good news!!
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: I'm geeK on October 18, 2006, 04:08:32 AM
Quote from: skippy9146;43736
Yup!:yes:

Anybody that disturbs me during BSG this Fri, will face some serious consequences!:nod:


So say we all.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Roy Fokker on October 19, 2006, 12:28:43 AM
Oh, frak! Frak, guys!

Remember my post on page two, about the Canadian preview? I have seen it and IT IS ALL TRUE.

I mean - atmospheric dogfights, Galactica getting nuked to hell, going down into the atmosphere, Vipers swooping down low for ground strikes... wow.

Here it is - a crappy, no sound, digital camera video off of a TV screen:
http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j30/battlecowdairymilk/?action=view¤t=DSCF0019.flv
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Post by: I'm geeK on October 19, 2006, 12:37:09 AM
Good gods! From what you can see this is obviously going to be the best episode to date. Damn it! 2 days to go! hurry up!
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Josh_88 on October 19, 2006, 01:22:38 AM
wow that shot of galactica in the atmosphere was awesome.
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 19, 2006, 01:37:23 AM
^It struck me as very UFO like lol

Also, did I see Adama shouting "JUMP!" and Helo nodding his head "no" slowy?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

TWO DAYS IS TOOO LONG!!!
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Post by: skippy9146 on October 19, 2006, 02:37:41 AM
I can't fucking wait!:yes:

Adama's got some big ass balls! Bringing the Big G down into the atmosphere is a hell of a move - If it's on purpose, he's well & truly frakked if not.

Why do that...? I guess orbital bombardment just isn't good enough for the Old Man. He has to get up close & personal to hose some toasters!

That's really gonna make some work for the Devs now!

Excuse me, I must watch that again!:D
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Josh_88 on October 19, 2006, 03:50:25 AM
im sure that up close the big g can use her flak cannons as well as the main guns to fire on ground targets, making it more effective...and awesome
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: StarSlayer on October 19, 2006, 04:05:37 AM
check out tos there is precedent for Pegasus COs for flying Vipers :P
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: StarSlayer on October 19, 2006, 04:07:16 AM
Quote from: Ender;43383
this is all well and good and i'm happy that peggy might survive but hwo do u explain waht looks like Lee getting into a viper mark 7,



Check out TOS there is precedent for Pegasus COs for flying Vipers :P
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: I'm geeK on October 19, 2006, 04:24:28 AM
Quote from: StarSlayer;43893
Check out TOS there is precedent for Pegasus COs for flying Vipers :P


Tru that.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Nahema on October 19, 2006, 04:33:56 AM
What I wonder is, now that it's under the effect of gravity from the planet, how does it stay up in the air :P massive thrusters pointed downward? Or shall we ignore this and simply enjoy the action :P
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Herra Tohtori on October 19, 2006, 05:27:13 AM
They can do faster than light travel; therefore they must have ability to negate their mass at rest. :nervous:

I can accept hovering technology as a plot device. After all, it's a frakking big >4 km long space ship with probably more power generating ability than all world's nuclear reactors combined, I wouldn't count it big wonder if it can produce ~1g static acceleration upwards... although it is a surprize to me to see that it was apparently designed to be able to conduct atmospheric operations.

Meh, whatever.:biggrin1:
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Post by: StarSlayer on October 19, 2006, 05:52:26 AM
even though bsg does a good job of not making us suspend disbelief im guessing probably the same technology that keeps raptors from plummeting to ground and allows colonial one to lift off a planet
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Post by: crimson96 on October 19, 2006, 06:23:05 AM
The shot of Colonial One lifting off in the miniseries is important.  Somehow it was clearly able to overcome gravity and lift off almost vertically without scorching buildings less than 50 meters away on either side.  Also the rear (main) engines don't start thrusting until shes already pointed towards space.  All this suggests some kind of anti-gravity technology.  And we know they must have a significant ability to control gravity if they are able to walk around all the time.  Only the the big ring ship in the Pegasus/civvie fleet appears to generate gravity the old fashioned way.

And don't assume that Galactica is actually that low in the atmosphere, first of all she's huge and would be visible in a low orbit during daylight hours on a clear day without visual aid.  Could also be a snap-zoom to get her up to that size.  A really low orbit ie: 200km strikes me as being within effective range of the main guns firing straight down against a stationary ground target, but the flak would run a huge collateral damage risk.  Though maybe someone here knows more about big guns and their limitations, my military experience involves little guns and big packs.

EDIT:  I forgot two things, (1) New Caprica isn't earth, and might have a weaker gravity well (2) Its a TV show and I need to shut up and watch the glorious mayhem unfold.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Akula on October 19, 2006, 06:54:12 AM
Actually, it looked to me like in that shot it was descending down towards the planet, not suspended in the air at all. And we already know they have significant control over gravity since all the ships have anti-gravity devices on board.

I've often wondered about the effenciency of that, though, paticularly on carriers. If you have such perfect control over gravity, why not let all fighters land in zero G? Or better yet, if a pilot is having trouble landing, double the gravity for the landing bay to draw the fighter down. Yet never in Sci-Fi do you see any of that happening.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Ender on October 19, 2006, 11:39:56 AM
this would bother me but what if galactica is destroyed and the renamed pegasus to galactica, would that bother anyone else
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Post by: Roy Fokker on October 19, 2006, 12:22:13 PM
Quote from: Ender;43926
this would bother me but what if galactica is destroyed and the renamed pegasus to galactica, would that bother anyone else


The big G is the primary design, and most fans adore it. The Mercury class is not a ship you can love at all, and they know it. I doubt that will happen.

As for G descending - I believe it is most likely a brief entrance into the atmosphere, for several possible reasons:

- either they are out of control and got caught by the planet's gravity
- or it's part of the plan: basestars can't do atmo-flight for obvious design reasons, so Galactica launches the Raptors to pick up the population and escort the ships from the ground... they probably jump straight into the atmosphere to avoid the planetary defense. Vipers go in for support. When they're all up in the air, Galactica suddenly goes into the atmosphere, picks up the Raptor/Viper contingent out of reach of anything but the Raiders, and jumps out right there.

Of course, this is probably utter bullshit, but theories rule.;)
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: skippy9146 on October 19, 2006, 01:54:44 PM
Yeah... But it's plausable bullshit Fokker! :yes: I'm also with you on the Galactica surviving (albeit by the skin of its proverbial teeth). I can't see "killing off" the show's namesake.

If it could be done, I wouldn't put it past Adama to take the Big G down to frak up Cylon firing solutions. That's just working with all available strengths & capitalizing on the enemy's weaknesses.

They probably have the know-how to at least partially negate the Galatica's mass by manipulating their gravity generators/intertial dampening systems, that they almost certainly possess... Or else the crew would be turned into chunky salsa by anything other than the gentlelest maneuvers/acceleration. And these principles could used to temporarily stiffen the structure to survive the punishment of atmospheric operation - they'd have to do something like that, if the Galactica's anything, it's not aerodynamic!

I for one would love to see Galactica establish its flak perimeter in the atmosphere. I'd think that the resulting shockwaves of the "flak curtain" going off in the atmosphere above it wouldn't allow anything to penetrate from orbit in the immediate area... Maybe that's another reason?
Title: Episode 304 !!Warning Spoillers!!
Post by: StarSlayer on October 20, 2006, 04:53:57 AM
Episode 304 Discussion Thread


What the frak rear-ends the Basestar!?
Is it covered by insurance!?
How much Toaster ass will be kicked by "A10 Config" Raptors!?

As always keep 304 spoilers contained to this thread and enjoy the show.


Questions? No? Dismissed!
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: darkjedi007 on October 20, 2006, 06:21:28 AM
i hear insurance for basestars is expensive these days
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: I'm geeK on October 20, 2006, 06:23:45 AM
I just saved a bunch of colonial currency on my Battlestar Galactica by switching to Gecko.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: skippy9146 on October 20, 2006, 02:51:46 PM
1- On another "304" thread, the guess is a Cylon tanker/transport goes "boom"... A #6 was driving & was reportedly applying makeup in the rearview mirror at the time... Ooops!

2- The Galatica is currently uninsured, as the company went under (got nuked). Hope Tigh doesn't get caught driving though. A DUI & no insurance ( and no tags that I can see either) will get the Galatica impounded...

3- Hopefully a shitload.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Dodger on October 20, 2006, 05:59:05 PM
Quote from: skippy9146;44074
1- On another "304" thread, the guess is a Cylon tanker/transport goes "boom"... A #6 was driving & was reportedly applying makeup in the rearview mirror at the time... Ooops!

2- The Galatica is currently uninsured, as the company went under (got nuked). Hope Tigh doesn't get caught driving though. A DUI & no insurance ( and no tags that I can see either) will get the Galatica impounded...

3- Hopefully a shitload.


too funny!:D  

don't forget to post the password for the special content on scifi.com if there is a vid like the week before!
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Post by: Werthead on October 20, 2006, 06:23:42 PM
Quote
Let's start with the Galactica coming into save everyone. This is the HUGE space battle we've all been waiting for ladies and gents. Ships, ground troops, it's an epic scale and there are AWESOME fighter launches (in a unique style) and huge explosions. This is the best we've seen so far on this show. Battlestars vs. Basestars 'nuff said'.


First review in of the episode here (http://www.galacticastation.com/index.html). Pretty non-spoilery, actually.
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Post by: Werthead on October 20, 2006, 11:51:57 PM
Very late in the day, given that the episode is on in the US...what, about now?

Nevertheless, the much-missed proper Canadian trailer (http://www.spacecast.com/wvx/2006/10/bsg_061013.wvx) with audio.
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Post by: Roy Fokker on October 21, 2006, 12:10:03 AM
I downloaded and put it up on Rapidshare for those who want it:
http://rapidshare.com/files/77850/bsg_061013.wmv.html
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Post by: StarSlayer on October 21, 2006, 12:52:10 AM
Adama: Im here to kick ass and chew bubblegum... and im all out of bubblegum.
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 21, 2006, 01:11:02 AM
Its On Its On!!!!

Agh Scariest Opening Credits Teaser Ever!
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: EchoZero on October 21, 2006, 01:33:17 AM
That was awesome.  If you watched: at approximately 20 minutes in, you know what I am talking about.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 21, 2006, 01:33:39 AM
OH MIIIIII GODDDDDDDDS

Now we see why there werent any special effects shots in the first three episodes!!!!

LET'S SEE THE DEVS TRY AND MATCH WHAT I JUST SAW!

HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT!!  

"This will be something new..."- Hotdog

...YA DAMN RIGHT!

BEST. TEN MINUTES. OF TV. EVARRRR.
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Post by: sir monster on October 21, 2006, 01:34:08 AM
holy crap... now THATS frakin SWEET.

um i have a new idea for a mission/map.
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Post by: Paramedic on October 21, 2006, 01:44:44 AM
Well i hate to say it I was right....the pegasus went out in the most respectible and the blaze of glory "the beast" deserved
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 21, 2006, 01:45:01 AM
Oh my gods. We were all wrong.

Poor old Pegasus...

::salute:: :'(
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Post by: miles32 on October 21, 2006, 01:49:47 AM
talk about twisting the knife!  lees still a fatass!!
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Post by: miles32 on October 21, 2006, 01:56:15 AM
Rain I love your sig
Second that was a one in a million shot with the flight pod
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Post by: Dukeman42 on October 21, 2006, 02:02:20 AM
Let me just say this:  RDM and David Eick just gave me justification for one of the missions I've been planning (no, unfortunately it's not an atmospheric mission--not yet--but I think y'all will still enjoy it!)
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Post by: miles32 on October 21, 2006, 02:04:40 AM
Galactica jumps in launches fighters and runs away?  Four basestars vs 1 viper?
Things going boom?
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Post by: ratatosk on October 21, 2006, 02:06:51 AM
Damm that was cold.What Tigh did to his wife but she deserved it
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Post by: Paramedic on October 21, 2006, 02:06:51 AM
RDM and David Eick just justified everything that Newsweek and USA today have said this truely proved everyone doubts of being the best show on television. The military strategy, the victories the loses, this has respectfully done omage to Pegasus in turn saving the human race essentially the duty of the colonial officer AKA the duty of the pegasus. I have never seen such carefully articulated and perfectly crafted television then this evenin.
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Post by: sykochild on October 21, 2006, 02:07:00 AM
HAHA PEGGY PWNED 2 BASESTARS!!!! BY RAMMING EM!!!!


It's sad tho =(
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Post by: Dodger on October 21, 2006, 02:09:30 AM
Quote from: sykochild;44175
HAHA PEGGY PWNED 2 BASESTARS!!!! BY RAMMING EM!!!!
It's sad tho =(


What peggy blew up????
You lucky b@st@rts .... grrrr i hate waiting²!!! some more spoilers pleez!
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Post by: Crosshair on October 21, 2006, 02:09:44 AM
That was absolutely one of the best hours of television I've ever seen in my life.  That was better than most movies.

So, we're gonna have all those missions in the game right?  ;)
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Post by: EchoZero on October 21, 2006, 02:10:02 AM
"not all of them" .... wow.  So sad.
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Post by: kilo_foxtrot on October 21, 2006, 02:11:58 AM
HOLY FRAK HOLY FRAK HOLY FRAK
WOW

In general, the dialogue of this episode is okay. Then again... this episode isn't about the dialogue.

It is about the frakkin' sweet tactics and power struggle.

I AM WATCHING THIS AGAIN

(Fun with FTL!)
(Can we get Raptors in-game with "shoulder" launcher rigs? Can we can we can we please please please? Someday? I'll model it myself if I have to!)
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Post by: Paramedic on October 21, 2006, 02:12:09 AM
i agree this 44 min of television was better then any 2 hour movie i have ever seen.
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Post by: Shinzon on October 21, 2006, 02:13:38 AM
damn it, i cant watch it till tomorrow... so what, Lee died? or who died?
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 21, 2006, 02:15:02 AM
**(Sorry for all the posts and the scatterbrained nature of each. I'm just... wow. I think I need a stiff drink.)

That was, without reservation, the most gut wrenching, thrilling, terrifying,  exhausting and triumphant hour of TV I've ever watched.

Period.

[spoiler]Poor Shakespearean Tigh and tragic Ellen. Noble and humble Lee. Sardonic Hotdog (sorry, I have a weakness for that guy). Steadfast Dualla. Poor mind-fracked Kara. Utterly flawed and utterly cognizant Baltar. Guilt-ridden and betrayed Gaeta.
Vulnerable and overwhelmed Tory. Divine and righteous Roslin. Dear old Pegasus, lashing out as she died.

Every one of them. Absolutely stellar.

And I love how Adama gets back into warrior mode- by losing the 'stache.
[/spoiler]
I knew there was a reason I watch this series... as if I needed any reminder.

Wow. Just wow. FUCKIN' A!

Where do we go from here?
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 21, 2006, 02:17:30 AM
Quote from: Shinzon;44182
damn it, i cant watch it till tomorrow... so what, Lee died? or who died?


No. I refuse to ruin it for you, it's that good. Just watch it.

I can promise you one thing, though - you'll be happy at the end, not sad.
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Post by: StarSlayer on October 21, 2006, 02:17:41 AM
62 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THAT FRAKING ROCKED!

Wow Couple hours of stress and Lee droped half his tonnage!
Atmo launch and Jump!
A10 Config PLUS Fast Packs for Raptors!( I so wanna fly one of them!)
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Post by: Dukeman42 on October 21, 2006, 02:18:40 AM
Quote from: sykochild;44175
HAHA PEGGY PWNED 2 BASESTARS!!!! BY RAMMING EM!!!!



[spoiler]I love the way they gave homage to the fate of Pegasus from TOS, while keeping the main characters we love alive[/spoiler]
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Post by: Paramedic on October 21, 2006, 02:19:11 AM
For those who read this and WANT to see spoilers here it is.
Galactica makes an amazing interatmopshere entry and exit and finds itself partially disabled and under attack by 4 base ships. Against all odds the pegasus makes truely the most incredibly scripted entrance that is so dramatic i stood up in my seat and cheered! They take out 1 base ship like it was a set of legos! and ultimately kill 3 others by abandoning ship. and for those who wonder they left their vipers to guard the rest of the fleet. Truely doing omage to the Pegasus title and persona. This was the BEST the platinum 44 min of television. If this doesnt get an EMMY i dont know what does.
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 21, 2006, 02:19:40 AM
Quote from: Dodger;44176
What peggy blew up????
You lucky b@st@rts .... grrrr i hate waiting²!!! some more spoilers pleez!


No. I refuse to ruin it for you, it's that good. Just watch it.

I can promise you one thing, though - you'll be happy at the end, not sad.
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Post by: redmenace on October 21, 2006, 02:20:45 AM
Best Episode Ever, Period.
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Post by: Crosshair on October 21, 2006, 02:25:07 AM
Quote from: Nothing_But_The_Rain;44183
Where do we go from here?


Earth, yo.  :D
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 21, 2006, 02:33:33 AM
Quote from: Crosshair;44193
Originally Posted by Nothing_But_The_Rain:
Where do we go from here?


Earth, yo. :D

Fuck yeah. I'll drink to that.:cool1:
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 21, 2006, 02:34:43 AM
Quote
Best Episode Ever, Period.

I dunno, man... theyve got two more seasons to go. That cow ain't come home yet. ;)
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Post by: Akula on October 21, 2006, 02:35:27 AM
You know, I hate to say this but after all the build up and the plot devices that got us to this point, I'm almost NOT looking forward to the next Episode of BSG.

I mean, look at the facts: pretty much every plot line from the Season Finale of last year has been closed, every plot line from the Season Premier has been closed...all we have left is Hera, Boomer, and who gets what job on Galactica now. Frankly, the next episode just doesn't look as exciting as this one was.

I mean, does anyone else feel like 304 could have been a season finale, or even the end of the show? It just doesn't leave anywhere to go...
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Post by: Akula on October 21, 2006, 02:38:56 AM
Quote from: Nothing_But_The_Rain;44195
I dunno, man... theyve got two more seasons to go. That cow ain't come home yet. ;)


I think, since Lee is Male, he would be a "Bull" not a cow.
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Post by: Crosshair on October 21, 2006, 02:43:17 AM
Quote from: Akula;44196
You know, I hate to say this but after all the build up and the plot devices that got us to this point, I'm almost NOT looking forward to the next Episode of BSG.

I mean, look at the facts: pretty much every plot line from the Season Finale of last year has been closed, every plot line from the Season Premier has been closed...all we have left is Hera, Boomer, and who gets what job on Galactica now. Frankly, the next episode just doesn't look as exciting as this one was.

I mean, does anyone else feel like 304 could have been a season finale, or even the end of the show? It just doesn't leave anywhere to go...
Every good episodic series has ups and downs throughout.  We've been through SO much heavy stuff for the past few episodes I'm kinda ready for a nice calm story about traitors being shoved out of airlocks.
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 21, 2006, 02:45:52 AM
Quote from: Akula;44200
I think, since Lee is Male, he would be a "Bull" not a cow.


LOL True that, Akula.
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Post by: Dukeman42 on October 21, 2006, 02:45:56 AM
well, apparently next episode is going to deal primarily with retaliations against former NCP members and the such...that line seems plenty ripe to me; beyond that, I have faith in these guys to keep coming up with great storylines for the duration of the series (as long as they have a set ending in mind, like Babylon 5)
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Post by: sykochild on October 21, 2006, 02:47:06 AM
Do u guys kno whats goin to happen to Baltar? We're prolly goin to get a peak into the cylon's homeworld.
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Post by: StarSlayer on October 21, 2006, 02:48:27 AM
On second viewing

hmm effects wize i think it ran a little hot and cold.  The Raptors and the atmo jumps were fraken awesome, but the space battle wasn't up to par with Rez II or Cappies Hand.  I missed Viper ass kicken in space and they wasted having those sweet Raptors!  I would have wanted to see them strafe the damn baseships with that Macross VF-1S load out.

Strategically sacrificing Pegasus was kinda dumb, she was hella lot more important to the preservation of humanity then the Galactica.  62 can kick BS ass 75 can hold em off.  Show wise it makes since but if this were a space RTS i dont think i woulda gave up my Beast for the Bucket.
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Post by: Akula on October 21, 2006, 02:51:03 AM
I'm not saying they're out of plot - just that the didn't think the story arc through very well since none of the arcs carried past the first four episodes of the season.

(I say four because Occupation/Precipe was a two hour premier, and Exodus was two parts.)
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Post by: sykochild on October 21, 2006, 02:56:20 AM
Quote from: StarSlayer;44207
On second viewing

hmm effects wize i think it ran a little hot and cold.  The Raptors and the atmo jumps were fraken awesome, but the space battle wasn't up to par with Rez II or Cappies Hand.  I missed Viper ass kicken in space and they wasted having those sweet Raptors!  I would have wanted to see them strafe the damn baseships with that Macross VF-1S load out.

Strategically sacrificing Pegasus was kinda dumb, she was hella lot more important to the preservation of humanity then the Galactica.  62 can kick BS ass 75 can hold em off.  Show wise it makes since but if this were a space RTS i dont think i woulda gave up my Beast for the Bucket.



True true! I think all of the space battle scenes were awesome!
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Post by: Dukeman42 on October 21, 2006, 03:05:52 AM
Quote from: Akula;44209
none of the arcs carried past the first four episodes of the season.


I have to disagree with that comment; immediate story arcs like the occupation and rescue of New Caprica were resolved.  However, Boomer's child, Roslin's presidency and Zarek's plans/progression, the fate and location of Baltar, Starbuck's hazy/abusive past and time at the farm (despite the truth about Casey, we still don't know if anything was REALLY done to Starbuck at the farm)....all of these plotlines, established early- mid-last season continue and appear to be seeing revists and developments.  And the search for Earth continues.

Newer plots like the former New Caprica Police officers (which will again pit government against military, I'm sure; hasn't that been one of the biggest conflicts of the series?  State versus military?) and Tigh's new demons are the ones that I can easily forsee.  Who knows what others will come up (it's been done throughout the series...something happens and *boom* a new sub-plot).

Ever see Babylon 5 all the way through?  This is the way over-arcing series work.  Sub-plots build up to the season finale, and are resolved in the first couple episodes of the next season, while larger plotlines remain largely intact, shifting and changing but ever approaching the final climax and resolution.  I hope that RDM and Eick took some notes from JMS and B5 (without the snaffus regarding B5 S5, which was NOT JMS' fault;)

Trust me, there is plenty still to work with
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Post by: MatthewPapa on October 21, 2006, 03:09:23 AM
that episode was badass

i knew it was gonna be a killer episode, but that FAR exceeded my expectations

i wonder why pegesus couldnt jump out after the diversion but galactica could, even after half the armor was penetrated?

Oh well. Kind of a bummer, but i knew it was going to happen sooner or later.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: MatthewPapa on October 21, 2006, 03:19:07 AM
i combined the two episode 304 threads that we had. from now on, lets try and keep it all to one thread per episode please. dont make a thread about it if the topic already exists.
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 21, 2006, 04:11:01 AM
Quote from: MatthewPapa;44226
i combined the two episode 304 threads that we had. from now on, lets try and keep it all to one thread per episode please. dont make a thread about it if the topic already exists.

Eep! Sorry, MP. I know you take good care of us, despite all the messes we make. I have just one request, though, because I made the "pre-305" thread before I read the above post- could you change the title of that post to "Ep. 305 Discussion (SPOILER!!)" or something more generic? Sorry, and thanks again for all your patience and hard work.
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Post by: EchoZero on October 21, 2006, 05:47:13 AM
Does anyone have a running basestar kill count?
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Post by: I'm geeK on October 21, 2006, 05:49:46 AM
Wow! This episode I think was among the very best I've ever seen. Everything was par. Also I think its funny that the destruction of that basestar was actually caused by Pegasus's flight pod after Peg had rammed the first one. lol everyone is like "no its this ship. no this one!" and it was something so simple. It blew me away to see those basestars whoopin' up on The bucket and the camera pulls way back to see a salvo heading for the first basestar.. Man.. I cant even go on.
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Post by: I'm geeK on October 21, 2006, 05:53:44 AM
Quote from: EchoZero;44239
Does anyone have a running basestar kill count?


3 I think..

1.) First is taken down by Pegasus when it first arrives in the area of engadgement.

2.) Second is destroyed when Pegasus rams it.

3.) Third could have possibly been totally destroyed by a flight pod that was hurled into another Basestar. If not destroyed, crital damage for sure..

So the count is 2 for sure, probley 3.
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Post by: EchoZero on October 21, 2006, 05:56:45 AM
But what about for the entire series?
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Post by: I'm geeK on October 21, 2006, 05:57:28 AM
Oh boy.. lol. That might  take a littlel onger to figure out.. So I'll leave that up to someone else.
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Post by: Dodger on October 21, 2006, 06:54:30 AM
Finished it some sec ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WoW one of the beste episodes on BSG ever! got to watch it 2 or 3 times now!


How will our Btrl friends solve the lil galactica stunt???? hehe
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Post by: Akula on October 21, 2006, 07:18:32 AM
Quote from: I'm geeK;44241
3 I think..

1.) First is taken down by Pegasus when it first arrives in the area of engadgement.

2.) Second is destroyed when Pegasus rams it.

3.) Third could have possibly been totally destroyed by a flight pod that was hurled into another Basestar. If not destroyed, crital damage for sure..

So the count is 2 for sure, probley 3.


Are you sure about that? After the Pegasus "Destroys" the first basestar with her guns, the Dradis screens still show four red dots very clearly.
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Post by: Turambar on October 21, 2006, 07:35:51 AM
Quote from: Dodger;44249


How will our Btrl friends solve the lil galactica stunt???? hehe


i had an idea, involving a modified galactica mesh with some low-poly shells that are transparent, but have an animated glowmap.  that used in conjunction with some particle effects could give the proper effect.
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Post by: I'm geeK on October 21, 2006, 08:05:15 AM
Quote from: Akula;44253
Are you sure about that? After the Pegasus "Destroys" the first basestar with her guns, the Dradis screens still show four red dots very clearly.


Your probley right. I'm just recalling what I saw being torn up. DRADIS does not lie...Does DRADIS stand for something?
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Post by: Inkthinker on October 21, 2006, 09:10:45 AM
Heh... frickin' awesome. I must admit, did not see a lot of that coming. Just one scene after another of kickassery.

Can't wait to see Starbuck meet up with Leoben again. She's gonna do terrible, terrible things to that guy.

Glad to see them return a bit of the old TOS status quo with Baltar hanging around the Cylons again. At least this Baltar gets a hot blonde... two if you count the one STILL INSIDE HIS HEAD.

That reminds me... where's the Baltar in Six's head? He's gotta come back. :D

Looks like Gaeta's on the chopping block as a sympathiser... pretty funny given that he was the mole on the inside for the resistance. You would think he'd figure out a way to convey that such as... oh, I don't know, having intimate knowledge of the means and content of each bit of insider info he passed along? I guess we'll be seeing.

Plenty of other elements that will continue to haunt the plot for some time, so don't anyone think they tied this up. From Tigh's inevitable internal guilt over Ellen to the continuing married relationships of Lee/Dualla, Kara/Anders, Tyrol/Callie and so forth, the series has returned to its roots but it's still got a life all its own.

Oh, and before I forget...

TRANSATMOSPHERIC JUMPS!! HOLY CRAP!!

PS

Even my girlfriend, who loves this show but is, we should say... "geek lite", thought it odd that they should sacrifice The Beast for The Bucket. It'd be nice if there were some ramifications from this particular strategic decision at a later point beyond the real reason we all know is behind the move.

:biggrin1:
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Post by: karajorma on October 21, 2006, 10:50:32 AM
It wasn't the plan to sacrifice the Beast for the Bucket though was it?

That's just what happened as a result of Apollo disobeying orders.


As for people saying that there is nowhere to go, people said the exact same thing after episode 4x06 of Babylon 5 when the Shadow War wrapped up and they were so wrong that it's funny.

You always do a moment like this in mid-season. Never as a series finale because otherwise the series premier is left picking up the pieces and retards come along with "Season 3 is shit. I watched the first episode and it wasn't good. BSG is going down the toilet"

And then when I kill them who is going to make the missions for you? :D
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 21, 2006, 01:19:08 PM
Quote from: I'm geeK;44258
Your probley right. I'm just recalling what I saw being torn up. DRADIS does not lie...Does DRADIS stand for something?

Battlestar Wiki has it as "Direction, RAnge and DIStance", even though "range" and "distance" are kinda redundant.

Quote from: karajorma;44273
And then when I kill them who is going to make the missions for you? :D

LOL. That's what you have us minions for, karajorma- so you can keep working on the game while we carry out your dark bidding... :devel:

Quote from: Inkthinker;44260
Even my girlfriend, who loves this show but is, we should say... "geek lite", thought it odd that they should sacrifice The Beast for The Bucket.

Several things I've been considering:

1) Lee outright disobeyed orders because a) he (rightly) believed the plan was flawed and would fail, and b) he was terrified by the prospect of being responsible for the welfare of all Humanity.

2) Adama might have believed that his devious plan could work without destroying Galactica, but even if he had doubts, his need to be the father, the hero, the one ultimately responsible for everyone (even if it meant his and his whole crew's deaths) would have silenced them. It's a character trait we've seen him give evidence of several times, and we're always left wondering as to if it's a boon or a curse.

3)Also, I think we all got thrown by the fact that Adama wasn't ripshit at Lee for losing the Beast. He was all like, "It's cool son. I never liked that thing anyways." I would feel a lot better about the whole thing if Adama got all pissed at Apollo and threw him in the brig for a bit to sweat off some of that excess weight.

4) Finally, it's like Lee said in The Captain's Hand - command is about people, not ships. What mattered to Lee was that his father lived to lead them; what mattered to Adama was getting the human race off New Caprica so he could forgive himself for abandoning them. In the end, I don't think it would have mattered which ship they were in command of, they would have done the same exact things. It's just unfortunate that the Mercury-class had to be the one to come to the rescue.

(In addition, wouldn't Pegasus be more of a burden than an asset, by requiring more crew, ammunition, fuel and materials than Galactica? I would imagine that Galactica, despite her age, would run a bit leaner.)

Just my two cents.

***On another note, spoiler tags, anyone? I know a lot of people don't get to watch the show until it comes out where they live, and we don't want to piss anyone off by ruining season 3. The life you save may be your own.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Ender on October 21, 2006, 01:29:23 PM
I thoguht it stood for Direction, Rate and DIStance
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Dodger on October 21, 2006, 01:51:48 PM
here my two cents for this amazing episode:
[spoiler]
1) saul and ellen: wow that really was Shakespearean: danm she really loved him! and he bacame the tragic hero of this season! Danm that sceen on the flightdeck was so sad! but now we know that saul really got balls!

2)Starbuck: wow shes so mind-fracked, i hope they don't make her sit around with a psyciatrist for the remaining episodes of the season! (<--She'd need it!!!)
But im so fucking glad that the KC storry ended this way! Wow, this time she'll throw him out of an airlock with a diameter of <10 inch! squish!

3)peggy: it's just a ship, get over it!:devel:  She did the fight of her life....beauty and devastation, wow that scene rocked! and my therory: lee knew that his father wouldnt make it, galactica could'nt take more hits. he just had to keep the cylons busy, and he did very well! we all know that adamas are family-first guys!... maybe they just have to find a bigger BS now ;)
4) it was a fracking amazing episode! just sinners,no saints!
 TRANSATMOSPHERIC JUMP of GALACTICA..HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5) the aftermath will get so dirty.... "jammer, please report to airlock #16...!!J/K
and this war ain't over yet!
[/spoiler]

spoilerfree: it was boring!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Ender on October 21, 2006, 02:46:44 PM
with Pegasus Vipers and raptors along with her crew both from surface and from ship along with galacticas crew on the surface wont that mean galactica will be overstaffed, the only way i could see them coping with the new vipers and raptors is if they bring the starboard flightpod online, they have pegasus deck crew as well so it won't be streching tyrols deck crew to thin and it might meen Tyrol will get a promotion to Master cheif petty officer. any hoo thats my rants over, please tell me what u think
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Post by: TheFili on October 21, 2006, 03:04:09 PM
I agree - great episode, great battles.

I must admit, for a moment I was scared for the Bucket. Sure, it was obvious there was no way they would let her go down and that Lee would... let's say "reinterpret" his orders. Still, for a second all I could think was: "No."

@Dodger: My thoughts on the KC part. (Starbuck = mother? No frakkin' way.) And a clever solution, too.
Tell the truth, at the beginning of the episode I wondered very briefly why nobody was fussing about KC the way they did over Hera. But then I put it down to KC being "in-vitro" and not saying anything. I like it when films/series surprise me :biggrin1:

@Ender: Wondered too. But my thoughts were rather: "Will they be able to keep all these planes in a fighting condition?" And the overstaffing issue might become a problem. After all, they have several new crewmembers who need accomodation and supplies; the fleet will have to take over the Pegasus' responsibilities. In their state... that could become very interesting.
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Post by: northtwilight on October 21, 2006, 03:09:21 PM
holy HOLY frak - I couldn't speak, it was so good.

As someone said, best. episode. evar.

Pitch perfect all around from the effects to the acting and writing (the latter two being the best parts!). Wow!!!!
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Post by: sykochild on October 21, 2006, 03:12:53 PM
Here are all the basestar kill counts,


1. Kobol's Last Gleaming Part 2, The nuke blew 1 up.
2. Ressurection ship part 2, 2 basestars.
3. Captian's Hand, 1 basestar
4. Exodus Part 2, Peggy ramming the 2.


I think it was kind of funny how Peggy's one flight pod is the size of a basestar and tore it apart so easily.
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Post by: George Sorrell on October 21, 2006, 03:44:55 PM
i noticed that there were lots of debris from the pegasus left in orbit. would it be plausible for the humans to go back a salvage her parts and rebuild her in some fashion?
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Post by: Destructor!!! on October 21, 2006, 03:46:01 PM
Awesomeness incarnate.
I AM pissed that the Peg is gone, but what a way to go! Beats Voyager vs. the Krenim Temporal Weapon Ship in Voyager "Year of Hell, pt 2", Enterprise Vs. Scimitar in Star Trek Nemesis, and Kickstart vs. that excalibur ripoff in Star Wreck: In the Pirkinning for Best Sci-Fi ship-rammage, hands down.

Two of the most awesome pieces of tactical Spaceship Porn, I have ever seen, And I FRICKIN LOVED the implosion when the Galactica jumped out of the atmosphere, that and the look on Tyrol & Tigh's faces!

Every time the air implodes (I'm replaying it) I involuntarily yell out AWESOME!!!! FRAKKING AWESOME!!!!!!

Well frakking done, Zoic!
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Post by: Ender on October 21, 2006, 04:03:13 PM
Quote from: George Sorrell;44307
i noticed that there were lots of debris from the pegasus left in orbit. would it be plausible for the humans to go back a salvage her parts and rebuild her in some fashion?




I think that rebuilding pegasus from the debris is a bit farfetched, i think even if they had a shipyard it would be near impossible, i think they might be able to salvage some parts though, like armour and guns, and i know it would messup the symitry or galactica but best case scenareo they are able to detach starboard flight pod and attach a pegasus one if it's survivng, but i doubt it's intact, they might go back and find a few derelict raiders and heavy raiders and take a few souvineers, i havent seen exodus part 2 yet but i'm just saying stuff from info i've collected from here and battlestar wiki so i dont know if theres a survivng base star or 2 left at new caprica.
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Post by: Akula on October 21, 2006, 04:05:45 PM
I don't think that's practical because Galactica needs to retract her flight pods to use her FTL drive, and the Pegasus doesn't.

However, the original BSG site on the Sci-Fi page, the one that was made of flash (and is still there) does mention that, as of season 1, work was being done to render the other flightpod reuseable. So it's possible we might see a return to both decks operating with vipers.
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Post by: StarSlayer on October 21, 2006, 04:12:42 PM
Well Galactica just (at least) doubled her airwing so shes prolly gonna need both pods to handle that many fighters.  And judging by all the frakin holes in her hull patching em up with Pegasus parts might be useful.  Dunno if theyll do it but it makes sense, specially after they just sacrificed the most powerful ship yet seen in the series, retrofitting Galactica to be a little tougher is smart.  Dumb Lee! Dumb Lee! so sad when u see that empty CIC.
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Post by: Crosshair on October 21, 2006, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: Destructor!!!;44308
tactical Spaceship Porn


Hahahaha great description!
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Post by: Roy Fokker on October 21, 2006, 04:43:56 PM
Let me just say it - I TOTALLY CALLED THE ATMOSPHERIC JUMP!!!

There.:biggrin1:

I have just one regret - the most powerful scenes were the ones with a strong score - I missed the music in several amazing scenes... without music, I was taken out of the story a bit for a few moments, it looked like a TV set, kinda empty... but, oh, how we'll have fun this season... that should probably be it as far as epic ship battles go, but what was spoiled so far for us is so frakkin intriguing, I can hardly wait.
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Post by: I'm geeK on October 21, 2006, 04:56:42 PM
Quote from: sykochild;44302
Here are all the basestar kill counts,


1. Kobol's Last Gleaming Part 2, The nuke blew 1 up.
2. Ressurection ship part 2, 2 basestars.
3. Captian's Hand, 1 basestar
4. Exodus Part 2, Peggy ramming the 2.


I think it was kind of funny how Peggy's one flight pod is the size of a basestar and tore it apart so easily.


For Exodus Pt. II I could've sworn it was 3. The two that you stated and one from when the pegasus first jumped into the fray and was nailing that basestar with salvo rounds... i could be wrong..
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Post by: Roy Fokker on October 21, 2006, 05:03:10 PM
Btw, I just rewatched the "meat" of the episode, and I thought of something:
[spoiler]When the Peg blew up, its sections flew out in all directions - I bet they rigged the ship with explosives in the center and the connection points from the inside, so that it would explode on impact, and take out as many enemies as possible.[/spoiler]
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Post by: I'm geeK on October 21, 2006, 05:09:54 PM
Quote from: Roy Fokker;44331
Btw, I just rewatched the "meat" of the episode, and I thought of something:
[spoiler]When the Peg blew up, its sections flew out in all directions - I bet they rigged the ship with explosives in the center and the connection points from the inside, so that it would explode on impact, and take out as many enemies as possible.[/spoiler]


[spoiler]That would be a pretty smart move. Do you think Cmd. Lee knew about the fate of his ship before he ever jumped into the field of engadement?[/spoiler]
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Post by: nervouspete on October 21, 2006, 05:34:44 PM
Adjusted from Sykochild's guide...

1. Kobol's Last Gleaming Part 2, The nuke blew 1 up.

2. Ressurection ship part 2:  Two Basestars and one Resurrection ship.

3. Captian's Hand: One Basestar

4. Exodus Part 2:

Pegasus salvo fires and destroys one Basestar (definite wipe-out fireball imho). Radar map on Dradis is still scanning debris so 'shadow' still remains of Basestar.

Pegasus rams one Basestar, flight pod takes out another.

Total: Seven Basestars and one Resurrection ship. And I remember how I was concerned about the Battlestars being too weak to take out one Basestar at the beginning of the show! :D

Oh - and thoughts on this episode...

1: Any of you got shares in Cylon Asprin Incorporated? I think they've just shot up!

2: Atmospheric jump! Holy Frak! Best Battlestar moment ever! I love the sonic-boom slap of air rushing to fill the void, and the sudden gale. And that beauty shot of other ships taking off was immense too.

3: 10:51 - Oh oh! Green screen on the Presidential Ship! The rest of the episode's effects were so mindblowing though that I'll mentally put it down to Baltar throwing up on the window after drinking too much absinthe in a self-pity binge the night before.

4: Since they've retained the Pegasus's engineers, I reckon they might be able to work out a small Viper factory in the second hanger bay.

5: Leoben! And the child! Holy Frak! Didn't see that outcome coming. Nicely done though, I was a bit worried we'd have two sacred children story arcs - plus the notion messed up the logic of the Cylons, why would your greatest hope in the same room as nutty Starbuck as Leoben's wooing device?

6: Tigh and Ellen - some of the best acting I've seen yet. And I started off hating Ellen, but dang, I shed a tear for her in the end. Poor thing.

7: Hope Gaeta doesn't get strung up. Maybe it will revolve around him trying to save and defend his colaborator buddies, instead of being tried himself. Should be interesting.

8: Crowdsurf! Yay! Excuse me while I choke up!

9: I'm miss the Pegasus. *Sniff* She was a beauty.

10: But what happens to Baltar now? Hmm. Will he become a semi-recurring guest cast member? Hope not, I really dig the Bladerunner Cylon fun.

Amazing episode, glad I was villainous and acquired these instead of waiting for January.

I donate £30 to charity a month by direct debit, okay? That balances things out! *Guilt*
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Post by: karajorma on October 21, 2006, 05:50:19 PM
Watch the episode when it airs in your country as well. Then you've hurt no one by downloading it instead of waiting. :)

Well maybe ITunes.
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Post by: Dodger on October 21, 2006, 05:54:01 PM
Quote
I donate £30 to charity a month by direct debit, okay? That balances things out! *Guilt*

:lol: that should do it!

have any of you been taking a look around other BSG-forums????:lol:
do it! its soo funny!
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Post by: Werthead on October 21, 2006, 06:02:12 PM
Quote from: nervouspete;44341
Adjusted from Sykochild's guide...

1. Kobol's Last Gleaming Part 2, The nuke blew 1 up.

2. Ressurection ship part 2:  Two Basestars and one Resurrection ship.

3. Captian's Hand: One Basestar

4. Exodus Part 2:

Pegasus salvo fires and destroys one Basestar (definite wipe-out fireball imho). Radar map on Dradis is still scanning debris so 'shadow' still remains of Basestar.

Pegasus rams one Basestar, flight pod takes out another.

Total: Seven Basestars and one Resurrection ship. And I remember how I was concerned about the Battlestars being too weak to take out one Basestar at the beginning of the show! :D


Only one basestar was destroyed in Resurrection Ship Part 2. The other one took a few hits, then the Res. Ship blew up and Gaeata reported the rest of the fleet was withdrawing. It might have been destroyed off-screen, but no evidence for that.

In The Captain's Hand, the Pegasus inflicts heavy damage on the basestar and forced it to turn and run, but it is not destroyed. In the shot of Pegasus jumping out, you can see the basestar in the distance, damaged but still operational.

So by my count that's 5 basestars and 1 Resurrection Ship in return for 1 Battlestar. Still not too bad.
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Post by: sykochild on October 21, 2006, 06:13:54 PM
Sorry forgot bout the other basestar that Peggy destroyed at the beggining.
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Post by: Nuke on October 21, 2006, 07:46:37 PM
yep that was an awesome ep. but poor galactica is gonna be in the shop for awhile. shes pretty messed up. but at least shes got some extra crew to help with repairs. shes probibly gonna need to rely on vipers only for defence, i dont think much of her flak screen is still functional, or you would have seen more of it.

the cylons seem to be loosing ships, i wouldnt be supprised if they were running low on base stars. i have a feeling there wont be any more epic space combat this season. both sides seem to be licking their wounds for now. id like to see them militarize some of the civy ships, which seems likely. maybe they will build more ships like the stealth they had before. perhaps this time make it a bomber :D

youknow as far as btrl goes, id like to see some ecm missions in the raptors. its something that freespace didnt really have. i think it would make the gameplay a little bit different. would be awesome.
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Post by: Akula on October 21, 2006, 07:53:49 PM
Quote from: Nuke;44351
the cylons seem to be loosing ships, i wouldnt be supprised if they were running low on base stars.


That's a compeltely ridiculous statement. If we're to take hull numbers for their meanings then the Galactica is the 75th Battlestar in service, and she's an old ship that's STILL in service. It's not to much of as stretch to imagine that, at the time of the Cylons Wars, there were as many as 20 30 or even 50 battlestars operating. And giving the cylons abilites to manufacture things more efficently, I wouldn't be surprised to imagine the Cylon Fleet being on par with the Colonials.

It seems to make sense that with "the end" of the war, Battlestars would be decommissioned, leaving only a handful left around for defense. Because the Humans thought they were safe.

On the otherhand, the Cylons KNEW they were about to launch a significant attack, and I've never seen a nation country or military force about to launch an attack scale BACK it's military forces. Usually it's quite the opposite. So even if you assume there are 12 Battlestars left (1 for each colony) and you assume the Cylons needed 24 Base stars to combat them (though in my mind 2 basestars for one planet razing seems a bit low) and they've only lost 8 basestars this season (I'm estimating, I know it's less) then they've only lost 1/3 of their force and they still have 16 Base stars left. But I would imagine their fleet to be somewhere more on par with the fleet they used during the Cylon wars, with 50+ Basestars and 1 or even 2 Rez ships.
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Post by: darkjedi007 on October 21, 2006, 08:02:28 PM
not sure if anyone noticed, but apparently the official pens of Colonial Battlestars are Dixon brand China Markers

(http://home.earthlink.net/~pubftp/capture.JPG)
(http://home.earthlink.net/~pubftp/capture3.JPG)
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Post by: I'm geeK on October 21, 2006, 08:05:58 PM
lol wtf
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Post by: Nahema on October 21, 2006, 09:08:11 PM
Haha how ever did you manage to catch that?
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Post by: sykochild on October 21, 2006, 09:43:13 PM
Quote from: Akula;44352
That's a compeltely ridiculous statement. If we're to take hull numbers for their meanings then the Galactica is the 75th Battlestar in service, and she's an old ship that's STILL in service. It's not to much of as stretch to imagine that, at the time of the Cylons Wars, there were as many as 20 30 or even 50 battlestars operating. And giving the cylons abilites to manufacture things more efficently, I wouldn't be surprised to imagine the Cylon Fleet being on par with the Colonials.

It seems to make sense that with "the end" of the war, Battlestars would be decommissioned, leaving only a handful left around for defense. Because the Humans thought they were safe.

On the otherhand, the Cylons KNEW they were about to launch a significant attack, and I've never seen a nation country or military force about to launch an attack scale BACK it's military forces. Usually it's quite the opposite. So even if you assume there are 12 Battlestars left (1 for each colony) and you assume the Cylons needed 24 Base stars to combat them (though in my mind 2 basestars for one planet razing seems a bit low) and they've only lost 8 basestars this season (I'm estimating, I know it's less) then they've only lost 1/3 of their force and they still have 16 Base stars left. But I would imagine their fleet to be somewhere more on par with the fleet they used during the Cylon wars, with 50+ Basestars and 1 or even 2 Rez ships.


Have you seen the miniseries? There were 120 battlestars in service right before the attack...
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Post by: Inkthinker on October 21, 2006, 09:49:02 PM
Heh... PROOF OF EARTH!! It's where they get their pencils!!!

:D

I love all our international readers, but if you walk into a thread titled in all caps, "LOTS OF SPOILERS", then you can't blame anyone but yourself if you read something that spoils it for you.
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Post by: karajorma on October 21, 2006, 10:06:44 PM
In this thread it's your own fault. In the name of threads or in threads with ambiguous names though is another matter entirely.
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Post by: Werthead on October 21, 2006, 10:10:42 PM
Awesome. On the podcast for the episode, Ronald D. Moore relates a story that one day, whilst they were shooting the season premiere, he went to his office to find a massive banner saying "SAVE THE PEGASUS!!!" draped across the building opposite. The CGI guys had put it up because they really, really didn't want to blow up the ship. So Moore went and spoke to them about it, and visual effects director Gary Hutzel got a concession that if the Pegasus was going to go down, it was going to take two basestars with it, not just the one it rams (this may reinforce the idea that the first basestar that was hit may actually have blown up due to over-enthusiastic CGI work rather than script requirements, but Moore doesn't comment on it in his podcast).

Moore also says, slightly apologetically, that they had to get rid of the Pegasus not just for dramatic reasons, but because the sets were taking up too much room on their 'guest set' soundstage, especially with the new 'big standing set' requirements that come into play with next week's episode and the five or six following episodes. Also, they only had three rooms and a bit of corridor for the Pegasus set and it was limited what they could do with it.

He also confirms that earlier drafts actually had some of the fan ideas that were running around, such as Adama transferring to Pegasus, the Pegasus doing the mission by itself and finally being destroyed as the last civilian ship jumps out, but he felt that Galactica should be involved in the mission. Apparently there were discussions about Galactica being able to survive atmosphere entry, which were ended pretty quickly when Moore pointed out that this is a ship which can withstand thermonuclear detonations against its hull.
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Post by: Akula on October 21, 2006, 10:14:59 PM
Quote from: sykochild;44365
Have you seen the miniseries? There were 120 battlestars in service right before the attack...


I have, but it was a while ago. I wasn't a die-hard BSG fan until Season 2. As I don't own the miniseries, I have no way to check. I was just pointing out that assumign 6 Cylons ships is stretching the Cylons thin is very very very weak argument.
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Post by: Nuke on October 21, 2006, 10:16:57 PM
Quote from: Akula;44352
That's a compeltely ridiculous statement. If we're to take hull numbers for their meanings then the Galactica is the 75th Battlestar in service, and she's an old ship that's STILL in service. It's not to much of as stretch to imagine that, at the time of the Cylons Wars, there were as many as 20 30 or even 50 battlestars operating. And giving the cylons abilites to manufacture things more efficently, I wouldn't be surprised to imagine the Cylon Fleet being on par with the Colonials.

It seems to make sense that with "the end" of the war, Battlestars would be decommissioned, leaving only a handful left around for defense. Because the Humans thought they were safe.

On the otherhand, the Cylons KNEW they were about to launch a significant attack, and I've never seen a nation country or military force about to launch an attack scale BACK it's military forces. Usually it's quite the opposite. So even if you assume there are 12 Battlestars left (1 for each colony) and you assume the Cylons needed 24 Base stars to combat them (though in my mind 2 basestars for one planet razing seems a bit low) and they've only lost 8 basestars this season (I'm estimating, I know it's less) then they've only lost 1/3 of their force and they still have 16 Base stars left. But I would imagine their fleet to be somewhere more on par with the fleet they used during the Cylon wars, with 50+ Basestars and 1 or even 2 Rez ships.


well with the colonies completely obliterated, im sure the cylons would have decommissioned alot of ships. older warships and such. operating warships is expensive and the cylons, being more effietient. would realize that you dont need 100 or so base stars to go up against what is now 1 battlestar.

then again you could argue that perhaps the base stars are alive in the same way the raiders are. which would mean that you cant decomission a sentient being. even then i wonder if its possible to re-incarnate a basestar. that could actually be an intresting concept.
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Post by: Akula on October 21, 2006, 10:24:24 PM
Quote from: Nuke;44372
well with the colonies completely obliterated, im sure the cylons would have decommissioned alot of ships. older warships and such. operating warships is expensive and the cylons, being more effietient. would realize that you dont need 100 or so base stars to go up against what is now 1 battlestar.

then again you could argue that perhaps the base stars are alive in the same way the raiders are. which would mean that you cant decomission a sentient being. even then i wonder if its possible to re-incarnate a basestar. that could actually be an intresting concept.


You're making unwarranted assumptions, again. Like that a basestar has no purpose if it's not attacking the humans.

Why can't a basestar serve as a transport? Why can't it carry ships goods and materials around to the fleet? Why can't they establish new colonies for the Cylons? And more importantly, why is it efficent for Humans to have 120 Battlestars that can more then take a Basestar 1vs1 but NOT efficent for the Cylons to do the same? Furthermore if 2 Battlestars managed to escape the genocidal attack, what's to say more didn't? Have they accounted for all 120 battlestars, or might there still be some pockets of resistance left?

Assuming cylon basestars meet galactica at a 2 to 1 combat ratio, why have more then 2? Maybe because you can canvas a large area. Maybe you don't know this, but space is very very big. The odds of them finding the galactica (barring a spy on board which we know is a given) are very very small if they have say, 12 ships searching for one. The odds are exponentially larger if they have say, 120 ships searching instead. And if you already have the 120 ships, why decomission them right away instead of waiting until you've caught the galactica?
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Post by: Werthead on October 21, 2006, 10:28:12 PM
This argument, and the preceding questions, can be addressed by the following spoiler which does blow a big revelation for the next couple of episodes, so read at your peril. It does answer how basestars work though:

[spoiler]Basestars are alive, like the Raiders, but more than that, they are actually sentient. Inside each basestar is an entity called 'The Hybrid', which is basically humanoid-looking in its top half and mechanical in its lower. It is built into the floor of the basestar control centre and controls the ship, though it cannot physically move itself. I suppose a bit like the Pilot in Farscape but much more weird. As such decomissioning basestars would be a bit difficult. I think it's also confirmed that the Hybrids reincarnate, but obviously they have to wait until a new basestar is built, and the resources required to build new basestars are considerable. I think it's implied that the Hybrids are among the highest-ranking mechanical Cylons and are a liaison of some kind between the rest of the mechanicals and the humanoids.[/spoiler]

Finally, last week's episode suggested that not just the New Caprica Project, but possibly the entire pursuit of the fleet was just one project the greater Cylon civilisation is pursuing, and they have assigned a finite set of resources (ships, Raiders, Cylon agents) to the mission. If they use up the resources, they're not going to get any more. If they used 2 basestars per colony to nuke them into oblivion, plus another ten or so to take out the shipyards and individual ships, that would have been about 35 basestars in total. Losing one-seventh of them would be a major, although not critical, blow to the mission.
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Post by: Dodger on October 21, 2006, 10:35:24 PM
thx for the nice facts Werthead!

Quote from: Nuke;44372
even then i wonder if its possible to re-incarnate a basestar. that could actually be an intresting concept.
OMFG! just imagine that uber-resurectionship!!!!
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 21, 2006, 11:06:40 PM
Quote from: I'm geeK;44334
[spoiler]Do you think Lee knew about the fate of his ship before he ever jumped into the field of engagement?[/spoiler]

[spoiler]When Capt. Kelly noticed Pegasus had no fighters up, Adama said "He left them to protect the fleet; he knew this was a once way trip." Also, the speedy evacuation of Pegasus and the small number of Raptors used in the escape makes me think that they knew what was about to go down. Also, the explosion of Pegasus seemed more to me like her reactor(s) blew than a deliberate detonation.[/spoiler]

Oh, and ditto, Werthead. Thanks for the intel.
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Post by: StarSlayer on October 21, 2006, 11:09:12 PM
Quote from: Nuke;44372
i wonder if its possible to re-incarnate a basestar. that could actually be an intresting concept.



Heh redo Scar only with the Cylon's top ace baseship "Rusty"  I have in fact pondered the possibiltiy the the baseship is also a sentinet being like some giant whale thing cept its pointy and likes nuking colonials...
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Post by: Akula on October 21, 2006, 11:38:04 PM
Werthead, what's your source for that info?
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Post by: sykochild on October 22, 2006, 12:04:03 AM
Quote from: Werthead;44374
This argument, and the preceding questions, can be addressed by the following spoiler which does blow a big revelation for the next couple of episodes, so read at your peril. It does answer how basestars work though:

[spoiler]Basestars are alive, like the Raiders, but more than that, they are actually sentient. Inside each basestar is an entity called 'The Hybrid', which is basically humanoid-looking in its top half and mechanical in its lower. It is built into the floor of the basestar control centre and controls the ship, though it cannot physically move itself. I suppose a bit like the Pilot in Farscape but much more weird. As such decomissioning basestars would be a bit difficult. I think it's also confirmed that the Hybrids reincarnate, but obviously they have to wait until a new basestar is built, and the resources required to build new basestars are considerable. I think it's implied that the Hybrids are among the highest-ranking mechanical Cylons and are a liaison of some kind between the rest of the mechanicals and the humanoids.[/spoiler]

Finally, last week's episode suggested that not just the New Caprica Project, but possibly the entire pursuit of the fleet was just one project the greater Cylon civilisation is pursuing, and they have assigned a finite set of resources (ships, Raiders, Cylon agents) to the mission. If they use up the resources, they're not going to get any more. If they used 2 basestars per colony to nuke them into oblivion, plus another ten or so to take out the shipyards and individual ships, that would have been about 35 basestars in total. Losing one-seventh of them would be a major, although not critical, blow to the mission.



Ya I would really want to know where you got that information from. I've always known that basestars were biomechanical inside but sentient.
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Post by: Roy Fokker on October 22, 2006, 12:13:56 AM
Quote from: I'm geeK;44334
[spoiler]That would be a pretty smart move. Do you think Cmd. Lee knew about the fate of his ship before he ever jumped into the field of engadement?[/spoiler]


Adama did say:

[spoiler]Lee left all of his planes to guard the civillian fleet... he knew this was a one way trip.[/spoiler]

BTW, let me remind you of my ancient theories about how Cylons don't build basestars, but grow them. I'm still hoping for that (didn't read that spoiler up there), but I seriously doubt they're sentient.
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Post by: Werthead on October 22, 2006, 12:26:16 AM
Spoiler-heavy interview with Tricia Helfer in the Official BSG Magazine. It was transcribed online here (http://www.galacticastation.com/Archives/2006/sep06.htm) (entry for 27 September), but I'll quote the appropriate info:

[spoiler]For fans of the Cylons, a great deal is going to be revealed about their ships, their society and them as individuals, which will shatter any notions that they are a monolithic entity. And digging deeper into the Cylon psyche will reveal a world that is utterly alien to humans.

"We see what life is like on a Cylon base ship and the differences between the humanoid Cylons and humans," Helfer says. "You start to see how their moralities are different and also their customs and some of the things they can do."

Season three will introduce a new Cylon model called the Hybrid. The Hybrid is a half-way stage between the old metallic Cylons and the new organic models, a kind of missing link. It builds on the concept of a half machine, half organic creature first seen in episode five of season one. You Can't Go Home Again in which Kara discovers the Cylon Raiders have living, breathing organic tissue inside them.

The Hybrid is the embodiment of the Cylon Basestar. Human looking from the torso up, the Hybrid's lower half merges into the Basestar and is connected to all the critical systems on the ship. "The Hybrid essentially is the ship," Helfer says. "The ship, like the raiders, are a living machine and have organic material. It is less human than the humanoid Cylons and it confined to one room."[/spoiler]
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Post by: bouy on October 22, 2006, 12:37:08 AM
Quote from: Werthead;44395
Spoiler-heavy interview with Tricia Helfer in the Official BSG Magazine. It was transcribed online here (http://www.galacticastation.com/Archives/2006/sep06.htm) (entry for 27 September), but I'll quote the appropriate info:

Wow, makes me think of it as a scary version of Karen S'Jet from Homeworld.
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Post by: sykochild on October 22, 2006, 01:11:43 AM
Quote from: bouy;44396
Wow, makes me think of it as a scary version of Karen S'Jet from Homeworld.


Hehe ya. That Hybrid thing gives me the creeps.
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Post by: timbo1138 on October 22, 2006, 01:25:06 AM
Words simply fail me as to how good that episode was. A friend of mine refered to BSG as a weekly dose of heroin, I'm personally thinking it's more like a religious experience. Praise the gods.

Let me get back to trying to scrape my jaw off the floor and mop up the rest of the pieces of my exploded brain.
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Post by: Dodger on October 22, 2006, 02:18:56 AM
i was bored again! so i made this little eyecandy for you!
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/CHriSMesS/peg1o.gif (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/CHriSMesS/peg1o.gif)
(pleez don't cry!!!)
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Post by: sykochild on October 22, 2006, 02:34:56 AM
/cry!!!!! =*(
Title: 304 Exodus 2 (Possible Spoiler)
Post by: skynet97 on October 22, 2006, 02:46:28 AM
i just had to say how awesome when galactica jumps in in high atmosphere, launches vipers, and jumps out so close to the surface. i threw a fit. i thought that was truely awesome. Of all the scifi i have watched, that was the pinnacle of everything cool.

one thing i didnt like, why didnt tigh recieve the reconigition for saving the people of NC, without tigh, the people would have remained under cylon rule.

Adama : but you kicked over the table first.
Tigh : I Did Not!........ Unless I Did.
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Post by: sykochild on October 22, 2006, 02:50:57 AM
Ya i thought it was preety awesome to.
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Post by: The Trivial Psychic on October 22, 2006, 03:38:46 AM
I agree with y'all... the best BSG episode of all-time!

Regarding the Hybrid Cylon, take a look at my synopsis thread for the "The Cylon's Secret" book.  It describes a hybridisation of human to machine to control some of the Cylon's ships during the war, though they used actual humans for this task.  Sounds like this evolved into The Hybrid.

As for questions for the future... what's Lee gonna do.  He outranks Tigh, but I think having father & son run the ship as 1st & 2nd in command would get a bit confusing.  Personally, I think that Lee is gonna join up with the marines for the exercise.

I also agree regarding the repair of the other flight pod, that's needed to accomodate Peg's vipers & personnel.  I guess the museum's gonna get removed.  Too bad those MK1s and Cylon TOS raiders can't be made combat-worthy.

I have three predictions... half-assed and toung half-in-cheek. One, the president's aid is either a Cylon collaborator or a Cylon herself.  She deliberately ensured that the Cylon-hybrid child would not make it out with the rest.  Also, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Ellen Tigh was a Cylon as well.  I was telling my wife that I didn't think she was a Cylon, because if she was then they wouldn't have needed to manipulate her into doing anything, they'd've just triggered her programming and gone from there.  That said, it would make quite a surprise for her to suddenly show up again.  Finally, I think that Kara is gonna push for her and Anders to have a child.
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Post by: George Sorrell on October 22, 2006, 04:17:32 AM
so whats the deal with hera, she is with the cylons now right. what was the big deal with her?
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Post by: brs03 on October 22, 2006, 04:59:19 AM
Quote from: George Sorrell;44433
so whats the deal with hera, she is with the cylons now right. what was the big deal with her?


That's Helo and Sharon's baby... as in the only [known] human-cylon hybrid.
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Post by: Nuke on October 22, 2006, 05:19:18 AM
didnt we alwready have one of theese threads?
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Post by: Nuke on October 22, 2006, 05:29:33 AM
then one may ask, would it be possible for one cylon to upload to a better model? like giving a raider a promotion to basestar :D
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Post by: Dodger on October 22, 2006, 05:42:55 AM
Quote from: Nuke;44442
then one may ask, would it be possible for one cylon to upload to a better model? like giving a raider a promotion to basestar :D

I don't think that it is possible, raiders are like animals! and basestars fill the gap towards the skinjobs (if its true)! maybe they are more like apes or caveman, killing lil humies with nukes lol

[spoiler]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/CHriSMesS/peg2o.gif
[/spoiler]
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Post by: Josh_88 on October 22, 2006, 08:30:18 AM
nope they all have to stay the same, its like the skinjobs ressurect to a new body, same model works the same for the rest, using the animal comparison, you cant put a dog's brain in a human body and expect it to be able to function like a normal human would.

also, just amazing episode, unlike what some people say, with the peggy gone... it works better for me, everyone is closer again, that oh my god we're going to die element is back. i really feel bad for tigh. he lost everything, an eye, a wife, technically by rank...his job, everything really. very impressed
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Post by: Josh_88 on October 22, 2006, 08:32:18 AM
yes we did, and i can tell you why adama got the recognition. bceause tigh was on the ground with them living it. and adama is the guy who brought the big guns and they hadn't seen him. while tigh did much more of the dirty work, he couldnt get them off the planet, adama could with galactica, therefore the people from the planet saw him as rescuer, although tigh should have gotten something... and even adama knew it.
Title: In (Spoiler) of Pegasus
Post by: sayoung on October 22, 2006, 08:46:01 AM
Pegasus is a good ship!
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Post by: WhiteWolf on October 22, 2006, 10:42:18 AM
I have watched that episode 3 times today, simply awesome!!!  The moment with Tigh and Elen are a total Shakespearean moment of Romeo and Juilet.

Leoban is a total dick, man I cant wait to see what Kara does to that prick if she ever see's him again.

The beast went out in all her glory and the Galactica's interatmosphere jump was a heartbeat moment of edge of your seat special effects.

Cant wait for next episode to see how rank structure is going to work out, hopefully Chief becomes Chief again, what will lee do, where will Colonel Tigh fit in, and I definitely want to see the Starbuck/Kat reunion as well as Adoma and Laura.
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Post by: karajorma on October 22, 2006, 11:12:09 AM
You die horribly now.

The fucking arrogance of some people who come onto an international forum and post spoilers in a thread title astounds me.
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Post by: Ender on October 22, 2006, 11:31:04 AM
I think we just found some target practice :drevil:
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Post by: WhiteWolf on October 22, 2006, 12:37:42 PM
Lmfao, Kara you have not watched it yet?  I left the computer D/L all night and watched that episode 3 times already, your in for a treat m8 dont worry about that spoiling it, that is just one small part of the episode.
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Post by: sykochild on October 22, 2006, 01:08:39 PM
Does anyone know why Galactica wasnt fireing it's Rail Guns at the basestars. That would of been usefull and helpfull. Pegasus only used its railguns at the beginning when they destroyed a basestar in 4 shots. But WTF???
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Post by: DaBrain on October 22, 2006, 01:43:09 PM
Was it really destroyed? I guess it was just covered by a big explosion.

I'm wondering though... what does the Galactica have nukes on board for, if they don't even use them in this kind of siutation...
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Post by: Dodger on October 22, 2006, 02:11:03 PM
Quote from: DaBrain;44474
Was it really destroyed? I guess it was just covered by a big explosion.

I'm wondering though... what does the Galactica have nukes on board for, if they don't even use them in this kind of siutation...


[spoiler] maybe they just had no budget fore some impressive nuke shots! or the distance to targets was too close! havnt either seen cylons launching nukes (but maybe they didn't want smash their own raiders! [/spoiler]
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Post by: Nuke on October 22, 2006, 03:43:05 PM
has anyone bothered keeping a running total of galactica's nuclear arsonal?
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Post by: Dodger on October 22, 2006, 03:53:33 PM
at least 3 warheads left!!!
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Post by: I'm geeK on October 22, 2006, 04:19:02 PM
3 for sure.
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Post by: Josh_88 on October 22, 2006, 04:26:53 PM
my guess is they were all too close, the basestars were not that far from galactica. and perhaps by the time we saw the ship from the outside the rail guns weren't functional. a lot of the systems were going down by that point, so that could be why.
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Post by: karajorma on October 22, 2006, 05:47:33 PM
Quote from: WhiteWolf;44468
Lmfao, Kara you have not watched it yet?  I left the computer D/L all night and watched that episode 3 times already, your in for a treat m8 dont worry about that spoiling it, that is just one small part of the episode.

I have seen it. In fact I'm probably one of the first outside of the US to see it because I don't bother waiting for a Torrent to appear to download the episode. :drevil:

That said if I can't come to the forum until I've seen the episode because idiots insist on posting spoilers in the fucking thread titles that means I can't work on the game on Saturdays in the morning. That pisses me off. And it should piss you off when you find out that you're waiting a week or two longer for the demo because of it.
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Post by: Shinzon on October 22, 2006, 05:48:57 PM
OMFGWTFBBQ...

Best. Episode. Of. Anything. Ever. Shown. Or. Heard.

MAN IM STILL HYPER-VENTILATING... and i watched it yesterday! i couldnt even get to sleep!

the scene with the galactica dropping like a rock, and then when it jumps, it leaves a firey trail behind... JUST AWESOME!

I was listening to Ronald D. Moore's commentary, when the whole action scene ended, he said: "We'd better get a f**king emmy for this."
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Post by: Roy Fokker on October 22, 2006, 07:19:16 PM
I was watching the whole battle closely, and I don't know if anyone posted about it, but there were some pretty understated details in the Adamas' tactics... like getting right into the middle of the Cylon formation - all the time, there seemed to be like no space between the opposing battleships, I thought I even saw one "arm" of a basestar scrape the top of Galactica and later Pegasus... it is suicide, of course, because you're up close and personal with th esuperior enemy, but it was also what allowed them to last that bit longer - as we've seen in the show so far, the basestars have their missile batteries aligned at the tips of the six arms of the double star, which means that if a battlestar could manouver in between them, close to the central axis, most of the deadly missile fire would be useless against it. Also, the basestars would likely shoot eachother that way. So the biggest damage actually came from Raider missiles.
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Post by: skippy9146 on October 22, 2006, 07:32:43 PM
All I know that it was one hell of a furball!:yes:

... and an instant classic of an episode.
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Post by: Akula on October 22, 2006, 07:38:47 PM
Quote from: Roy Fokker;44519
As we've seen in the show so far, the basestars have their missile batteries aligned at the tips of the six arms of the double star, which means that if a battlestar could manouver in between them, close to the central axis, most of the deadly missile fire would be useless against it. Also, the basestars would likely shoot eachother that way. So the biggest damage actually came from Raider missiles.


I've actually thought a good deal about this, lately. I'm not sure what the "safe" range is of an FTL drive, nor how accurate they are, but a quick FTL jump in the middle of battle could be quite beneficial. It occured to me while I was watching Exodus Pt. II after the Galactica jumps, the missiles that had been fired on her streamed right under her. So...steering your craft between two enemy ships and then making say, a precision jump, to the otherside of one of them after they've all opened up would cause them to fire on each other.

There's a term for a manuver like this in Star Wars called "The Ackbar Slash" that involves flying your ship between two enemies so that their shots have a greater chance of hitting each other. Coupling it with an FTL jump would be true icing on the cake.
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Post by: nervouspete on October 22, 2006, 07:45:00 PM
Several reasons for why the space battle played out like it did.

Nukes have to be delivered on missiles, and that's what flak barrages and fighter cover are there for. I reckon you'd have to fire a fair few to get through, as seen in the miniseries the computers are able to detect radiological warheads. With the lack of air superiority, the Battlestars just wouldn't have been able to slip them through. I really don't think that nukes are an ordinary tactical weapon - they're there for the killing blow. Though personally I think that it was a mistake to introduce them to the show in the first place for precisely this question. Or at least they should have shown Cylon defence earlier in the series scream 'radiological alert' and have point defence cannon swing round to blast them out the sky.

With the firepower of the Peggy's cannon, perhaps there is a small nuclear element there? Contrasting the damage Galactica took from one in the miniseries, and the explosive power of a few rounds in that episode... hmm.

The Peggy is harder than the Galactica, but not in Adama's eyes. The main strength of it seems to be only say a third above Galactica's. It's main assets are those rail cannon and the fighter factory. Galactica's gonna need one of those though or they're screwed eventually. Interesting to see if they'll find a way round it.

The Pegasus was at minimum crew strength. It couldn't do much more than move on a straight line and shoot - no engineers, no damage control - that element was either down on the planet with the refugees or left behind to make the evac easier. The idea was to do max damage. While I think the Pegasus would have done better to hang back and fire, drawing the Basestars away, maybe Lee's idea was to be on such a ramming speed and course that the Basestars would have been forced to break apart to avoid being hit and thus be thrown from concentrating fire on the Galactica. It certainly worked anyway. As Lee said at the start - it was a one way ticket. They knew they'd lose one Battlestar.

Roy Fokker's got a good notion there with the firing arcs as well.

In the practical sense, The Pegasus was costing too much money for the show and the story was becoming unwieldy with the characters divided. Cuts had to be made and everyone on the show knew that the Peggy would go sooner or later.

I agree the show could have made the tactics seem a little less, "Well, I'm out of ideas", on Lee's part - but I think there was a sound reason behind what he did.

Now I'm off to watch the freefall Galactica bit for the 500th time.
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Post by: karajorma on October 22, 2006, 07:58:57 PM
Actually Kudos to the show for having the Pegasus in as long as they did. Most shows would have simply pressed the reset button in Resurrection Ship by having it be destroyed there and then. Instead they kept it around, made us fall in love with it and then made its destruction meaningful to the viewer.

I haven't been this impressed with a show's decision to not push the button since Farscape had that episode where Crichton got cloned and then both of them hung around arguing over who was the real one for the rest of the frigging season!
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Post by: Roy Fokker on October 22, 2006, 08:03:11 PM
Quote from: nervouspete;44527
In the practical sense, The Pegasus was costing too much money for the show and the story was becoming unwieldy with the characters divided. Cuts had to be made and everyone on the show knew that the Peggy would go sooner or later.


Yeah, absolutely. People tend to forget details like that - RDM has said so numerous times: the original intention was for the Pegasus to be lost a lot sooner, mid-season 2 even. They just came up with stories that worked and stuck with them, like Lee's command etc. It's a good thing they did, it worked for the best this way.
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Post by: Roy Fokker on October 22, 2006, 08:05:20 PM
Quote from: karajorma;44528
I haven't been this impressed with a show's decision to not push the button since Farscape had that episode where Crichton got cloned and then both of them hung around arguing over who was the real one for the rest of the frigging season!


Indeed. That ran against the whole previous tone of the show, and developped into what became a very emotional and painful arc in the end, ultimately bringing us some of the best drama it could offer in the entire run. The same applies here.
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Post by: Ender on October 22, 2006, 08:28:41 PM
Is peggy getting pulled from the Mod now cos that would be a major disapointment
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Post by: skippy9146 on October 22, 2006, 09:34:56 PM
Why not keep it in the Mod?

You could have a mission in a Raptor where you have to escape the burning Pegasus & evade the remaining (now highly pissed-off) Cylon forces to rendevous with the Galactica....

Might be neat to have a mission where shooting your way out of something is simply not an option. Rather, to survive by your wits by escaping detection by using a combination of countermeasures & using available cover.

Just a thought.
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Post by: Roy Fokker on October 22, 2006, 09:54:12 PM
Worrying about pulling the peg out of the game is just silly.
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Post by: karajorma on October 22, 2006, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: Ender;44535
Is peggy getting pulled from the Mod now cos that would be a major disapointment


I see no good reason to do that

1) We've got at least a year's worth of time that it was with the fleet to make missions with it.
2) We've got the possibility of making missions based around Cain's time in charge after the Cylon attack.
3) FRED allows you to specify alternate textures for a ship so the Pegasus model can easily be used as any battlestar of it's class (Which basically gives us Cylon Holocaust missions with several different battlestars for a few minutes worth of texturing)
4) Although we're not doing it I'm sure 3rd party FREDders will want to make "Pegasus Survives!" alternate universe missions.
Title: Also
Post by: Paramedic on October 22, 2006, 10:52:44 PM
Also take into account in BSG universe Pegasus was around for well over a year. why take it out of the Mod?
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Post by: karajorma on October 22, 2006, 11:00:58 PM
I believe that was my first point :p
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Post by: Paramedic on October 22, 2006, 11:15:13 PM
thats me rushing to conclusions and not reading 36 hours without sleep does that to a person :-P
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Post by: Ender on October 23, 2006, 02:28:08 AM
i dont know if anyone else noticed but when galactica was in teh atmosphere i swear i saw vipers coming out the starboard launch tubes, Anyone else see that?
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Post by: Talchar on October 23, 2006, 02:28:57 AM
One thng I noticed. The starboard pod is now at least partially repaired. At the end, the refugess on Galatica were sent to the starboard hanger to await ship assignment.
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Post by: Paramedic on October 23, 2006, 04:06:51 AM
One of the things David Eick said in a video blog is just because we dont see characters every episode doesnt mean they arnt completely active on Galactica or within the fleet doing their normal buisness. With the direction the show has gone in and the mission/need its safe to assume the same held true for the "knuckledraggers" fixing even if partially the "gift shop launch tubes". As much  as it would have been nice to see it addressed in the show i think its safe to assume that somewhere along the way this was fixed.
I mean at least the vipers dont mysteriously repair themselves like the Starship Voyagers Shuttles. i think that minor detail to the crews ability and the shows to awknowledge of severe damage,loss and repairs sets the precendance here that its not unreasonable to say those tubes are now working even if partially for the "rescue that saved humanity".
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Post by: I'm geeK on October 23, 2006, 04:50:46 AM
lmfao. Voyagers shuttles. That is a nice one to compare to.

One thing
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Post by: Roy Fokker on October 23, 2006, 05:15:39 AM
Quote from: Paramedic;44625
One of the things David Eick said in a video blog is just because we dont see characters every episode doesnt mean they arnt completely active on Galactica or within the fleet doing their normal buisness.


Indeed. Wasn't that Cpt. Kelly in the Galactica CIC? I love it when they bring familiar faces back.
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Post by: Inkthinker on October 23, 2006, 05:22:03 AM
Actually, I can't tell what pod they're launching from... the angle is too close, all I see are the ribs.

I'd guess they did as much repair work to the starboard pod as they could during the year-ling orbit 'round New Caprica. Considering that Pegasus had at least some fabrication capabilities, it's not unfeasible that they could have completely repaired it to a full operating capacity.

For that matter, have we really ever understood what the Galactica's fabrication capabilities are? I should think it'd be at least equal to the same capabilities as a modern aircraft carrier.
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Post by: karajorma on October 23, 2006, 07:00:04 AM
The fact that the new vipers were built on Pegasus shouldn't be taken as an indication that Galactica can't build fighters. After all we saw the chief build the Blackbird on Galactica in a few days.

Without doubt the vipers were built on Pegasus because the facilities on Pegasus are bound to be newer. Not because it couldn't be done on Galactica.
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Post by: Akula on October 23, 2006, 07:34:04 AM
My own assumption from that line was that Galactica was producing fighters as well, they were only mentioning it because Pegasus was starting to do so, also.
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Post by: Roy Fokker on October 23, 2006, 01:09:11 PM
Folks, let's not get ahead of ourselves here... since the Viper contingent from the Pegasus was left behind intact, Galactica should have a problem with too many Vipers for the time being. I doubt they're gonna have to rebuild them any time soon... Remember, the time of huge space battles has probably ended with the last episode, things are going to play out differently in the future. I doubt that they'll be losing Vipers at the rate seen, for example, in season one.
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Post by: DaBrain on October 23, 2006, 01:23:54 PM
Quote from: karajorma;44528
Actually Kudos to the show for having the Pegasus in as long as they did. Most shows would have simply pressed the reset button in Resurrection Ship by having it be destroyed there and then. Instead they kept it around, made us fall in love with it and then made its destruction meaningful to the viewer.


Same goes for the development of Baltar.
I was kinda waiting for a 'cheap' wait to get im on the Cylon side. They way most other series would have done.

I was quite impressed by his character change. Hated by everyone, but still ready to help them. In the frist seasons he did make the impression of feeling guilty, but more to be afraid of beeing blamed and punished. His character changed in a very interesting way, making him the most interesting person in the series again.
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Post by: Admiral Zaarin on October 23, 2006, 01:48:09 PM
I had a big grin on my face when Beast jumped in the fight...and that grin was blown away quickly by the sacrifice...Damn.
[takes hat off and salutes]

Atmojump was something that I expected and had wondered why they haven't done it earlier, but I was bit dissapointed 'cos jump backwalsh didn't drag anything with it into space...

And finally col.Tigh, well, sad to see him crawl back to bottle.
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Post by: Roy Fokker on October 23, 2006, 02:03:44 PM
Quote from: Admiral Zaarin;44664
I was bit dissapointed 'cos jump backwalsh didn't drag anything with it into space...


Ha! Didn't you see that hole in the sky that sucked air back in when the Big G jumped?:p
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Post by: skippy9146 on October 23, 2006, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: Roy Fokker;44666
Ha! Didn't you see that hole in the sky that sucked air back in when the Big G jumped?:p



Everything about the Big G barreling in was excellent, but the "WTF" looks on the faces of the Chief & Tigh were priceless...:eek2:
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Post by: Werthead on October 23, 2006, 05:25:02 PM
Quote from: Roy Fokker;44666
Ha! Didn't you see that hole in the sky that sucked air back in when the Big G jumped?:p


There are a fair number of similarities between BSG and Robotech, and that bit with all the air rushing in with a sonic boom deafening anyone reminded me of the SDF-1's jump from Macross Island. Also similarities to Peter F. Hamilton's Night's Dawn Trilogy, when a ship jumps through a wormhole from inside a huge space habitat and rips tons of foilage and surrounding terrain through the hole in space with it.
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Post by: Inkthinker on October 23, 2006, 06:06:32 PM
I think the reason no-one's done an atmospeheric jump like that is that it was obviously INSANE... from the looks on everyone's faces on the ground to the evident damage to systems that Galactica endured before even being pounded by four basestars, it seems that flying your ship into an atmosphere, freefalling 90,000 feet or so (which I have to assume they HAD to do because, for whatever reason, hovering was not an option) and then jumping again just before you hit the planet is NOT an optimal strategy for most engagements.
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Post by: Dodger on October 23, 2006, 06:16:28 PM
but they really got the element of surprise!
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 23, 2006, 06:43:34 PM
I think that from now on the first rule of Cylon strategy for dealing with the humans is going to be this: never assume they're logical; never assume they aren't stark raving daft. :D
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Post by: Dodger on October 23, 2006, 06:50:46 PM
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I think that from now on the first rule of Cylon strategy for dealing with the humans is going to be this: never assume they're logical; never assume they aren't stark raving daft. :D

nah it'll be more like: Frak, these crazy humans are back, don't get too close!!
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Post by: Werthead on October 23, 2006, 08:15:32 PM
I think it was previously speculated that Galactica's artificial gravity system may be able to help, and obviously it did: it stopped the crew from being splattered against the ceiling by the force of the freefall. It may also have helped keep the ship level and stop it tipping over in favour of its heaviest end (which I'd assume to be the engine section). However, obviously the AG system is internal only. There is no method of having it act outside the ship. The maneuvering thrusters also could not generate the thrust needed to stop the ship slamming into the planet. The main engines probably could, but that would mean pointing the ship ass-downwards at the planet (impractical for the crew) and firing them, which would irradiate New Caprica City and kill everyone there.

This does beg the question: can the Vipers (IIs or VIIs) survive atmospheric entry? They are capable of flying in-atmosphere, as we saw in this episode and that one in Season 1 where Kara was marooned on the planet with the Raider, but the heat-resitant properties of their armour are unknown as this point. Certainly that Season 1 episode implies that Vipers cannot survive at least an uncontrolled atmosphere entry, although the Cylon Raider could. If the case is that they cannot survive it, surely there is some other method of getting Vipers into an atmosphere safely? Huge drop-pods that hurtle through the atmosphere and then launch the Vipers once below the outer layers?

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Indeed. Wasn't that Cpt. Kelly in the Galactica CIC? I love it when they bring familiar faces back.

I think it is quite clear that Captain Kelly is the official Harbinger of Doom on the show. The first time we see him, the annihilation of humanity swiftly follows. Coincidence?

The second time we see him, Galactica gets lost in space, is infected by a rampaging computer virus and then boarded by a Cylon commando squad. Hmm.

The third time we see him, a Viper pilot gets high on illict substances and nearly kills herself and damages the Galactica.

The fourth time we see him, the Galactica is pounded to within an inch of its life and then the Pegasus gets blown up.

Personally, I'd post guards with orders to shoot Kelly if he ever shows up near CIC again :D
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Post by: Roy Fokker on October 23, 2006, 08:30:23 PM
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surely there is some other method of getting Vipers into an atmosphere safely? Huge drop-pods that hurtle through the atmosphere and then launch the Vipers once below the outer layers?


Uh, you're missing the point here - the purpose of the Adama Manouver was not to get the Vipers into the atmosphere, but to get them past the Cylon orbital defense forces. No matter how they attempted to approach the planet, the Cylons would have torn them to shreds.

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I think it is quite clear that Captain Kelly is the official Harbinger of Doom on the show. The first time we see him, the annihilation of humanity swiftly follows. Coincidence?

(...)

Personally, I'd post guards with orders to shoot Kelly if he ever shows up near CIC again :D


:D:D:D

I would argue that he appears on the cast whenever there's need for non-generic personnel in the CIC... which is precisely during the events you described. :p
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Post by: Dukeman42 on October 23, 2006, 09:32:52 PM
anybody else think Kelly has lost some weight?  i thought he looked thinner
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Post by: Freelancer on October 23, 2006, 09:46:31 PM
um i just watched this fuggin first 30 minutes. DID GALACTICA DID A FUCKIN HALO JUMP?!?1/?!?!?!?!?!?

:eek2:
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Post by: Dusty on October 23, 2006, 09:59:34 PM
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anybody else think Kelly has lost some weight?  i thought he looked thinner


I think it was his hair maybe, he had it quite short before, now it's longer and doesn't make his head look as big? :lol:

Most of the characters seem to have let their hair go in Season 3.

Freelancer, by "Halo Jump" you are referring to the bit when the Covenant cruiser jumps out right in the middle of the city (near ground level) and destroys it in Halo 2, then yes, probably :lol:
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Post by: Freelancer on October 23, 2006, 10:23:21 PM
no i mean HIGH ALTITUDE, LOW OPEN DROP LOL its a army drop lol, but in this case its HIGH ALTITUDE JUMPIN, LOW ALTITUDE JUMP OUT LOL.

WOW that episode was so fuggin awesome.

im just estatic im at work buggin and whatnot throwin my arms in the air. i was like OMFG galactica's falling! FALLING! then they jump out. i thought they were seriously about to get blown up then pegasus came in and saved them! i was sad she had to go but holy crap man they really did it!

pegasus debris killed the other 2 basestars!
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Post by: Nuke on October 24, 2006, 03:19:37 AM
vipers have intakes, this seems to give me the idea that they are capable of atmoshpereic flight, including re-entry. we saw vipers on the ground, for it to make any sence to keep them there they have to be capable of landing.
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Post by: StarSlayer on October 24, 2006, 03:34:02 AM
ur right Cpt Kelly is thinner they must have borrowed his for Lee.  ya know Lipo and Lipe In. ;)
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 24, 2006, 03:40:21 AM
lolz @ sigs^
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Post by: Talchar on October 24, 2006, 03:40:55 AM
IMO - the "air intakes" are not air intakes = that would mean a really complicated engine.  Most likely the "air intakes" are really cooling intakes.  From a design standpoint - I would argue that the vipers cannot do reentry but the raptors can.  Air intakes on reentry would really be a bad thing.

If the Galactica has a artifical gravity (which it must have) the ship orientation would be irrelevant. (So it could stand on its end)
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Post by: Dukeman42 on October 24, 2006, 03:47:16 AM
If vipers cannot do 'reentry,' how did they accompany Raptors near the surface in 'you can't go home again' in the search for starbuck?

I move that vipers ARE capable of controlled atmospheric reentry and atmospheric operations (especially since we have seen evidence of both in at least two episodes now...oh yeah, and in Baltar's Dream in 'Scattered,' MkVIIs were flashing past overhead....yeah, his dream, but I doubt it would be in error in those areas)
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Post by: Inkthinker on October 24, 2006, 05:40:54 AM
I think it's been established in-series that Vipers are capable of transatmospheric flight, though such a thing would probably require careful flight, espescially during re-entry.
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Post by: Werthead on October 24, 2006, 08:41:06 AM
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If the Galactica has a artifical gravity (which it must have) the ship orientation would be irrelevant. (So it could stand on its end)


The Galactica's gravity field would have to counteract the much vaster gravitational force of the planet whilst simultaneously keeping the crew glued to the floor. And this seems a bit high-tech for the show, more like something you'd see in Star Wars or Trek. The artificial gravity on the Colonial ships is a bit of a fudge anyway (something the writers need to avoid headaches and complications) and seems a bit at odds with the rest of Colonial technology.

My guess is that the FTL and gravity systems are holdovers from the Kobolian era and are technology that the Colonials never developed for themselves.

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If vipers cannot do 'reentry,' how did they accompany Raptors near the surface in 'you can't go home again' in the search for starbuck?


We don't know the composition of that planet's atmosphere. It might not be as thick as New Caprica's or a standard Earthlike world. However, I am convinced now that Vipers can survive atmospheric entry. If nothing else, it makes life a hell of a lot easier for the writers.
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Post by: Fish on October 24, 2006, 09:47:41 AM
Galactica would have only falled lopsidedly if there was enough uneven air resistance - nothing to do with mass. All objects experience the same downward acceleration in normal gravity, with air resistance the only significant variable. But that's boring nitpicking.

Seeing the flash of MkVII Vipers across the blue sky of New Caprica was a beautiful sight! I'm impressed they had enough fuel not only for atmospheric dogfights, but also to break orbit. Like the cylons, I reckon Adama's tactics were a little bizarre! I understand why Lee was so pessimistic about them earlier. It was a huge gamble to do that stunt with the Galactica, but it was damn cool!

When I thought Galactica was about to go, I felt like I was watching a grandparent on their deathbead. The 'well, that's it then' line from Adama had me convinced, and the super long range pan back was like a reverse of the shot that introduced Galactica in the miniseries (metaphorically its birth). Seeing so many explosions around the ship reminded me of the test video for BtRL where a Galactica model is destroyed by several Basestars, and I thought it was gonna break in two. I have newfound respect for that patchy armour, after seeing what happened to poor Pegasus.

The loss of Pegasus is to me an engineering tradgedy - all the work that went into its construction, all the gadgets and cool things it could do are now in pieces across the nebula. The Colonials have lost their greatest remaining engineering feat, and nothing will be seen like it for decades, likely.

But that's all just me, getting carried away in the story :)
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Post by: crimson96 on October 24, 2006, 10:56:50 AM
Longer than decades I would say Fish.

I'm not an anthropologist, but someone on the scifi boards is and did a detailed analysis of how a culture that has lost so much of its technology and advanced economic structure would be able to return to its previous state.

I don't remember the whole thing, but after the current generation dies out, it will probably be almost a century before the colonials can produce another ship capable of breaking orbit, much less recreate something as complex as an FTL drive.  Medical advances will be knocked back several decades at least, and pharmaceuticals will be back in the stone age.  It's really amazing how hard it would be to save all the specialization and skill of an advanced civilization with only a few computers, paper and pen, and 40,000 people.

Back on subject, if we had to see the Beast go, there sure wasn't a better way.  Moore talks about suspending reality when the second basestar gets taken out in the podcast, but sometimes the goodguys get lucky too, and it was entirely plausible.  I will miss the 2200mm foreward cannons though. :(

PS: Were those Raiders slamming into Peggy's flightpod just caught in the way or trying to sacrafice themselves to save their basestar?  They really are brave little things.
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Post by: Paramedic on October 24, 2006, 11:12:44 AM
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PS: Were those Raiders slamming into Peggy's flightpod just caught in the way or trying to sacrafice themselves to save their basestar?  They really are brave little things.


Why not what do they care, they'll get redownloaded just like scar. :-P
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Post by: Fish on October 24, 2006, 11:27:02 AM
Redownloading is painful, apparently. I wonder where the second resurrection ship is? If not in the nebula, why? If outside the nebula, what's the deal with the nebula's interference/shielding of transmissions (same goes for calling in those two extra basestars, and cylon communication in general)? It would have made a sweet target.
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Post by: Dukeman42 on October 24, 2006, 01:42:53 PM
have we confirmed there is a second rez ship?

In downloaded, resurrection occured on Caprica; I would not be surprised if they built a dowload center on New Caprica?

I'm not saying there is not anoter rez ship, I'm just saying it's existence hasn't been confirmed, to my knowledge:)
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Post by: Josh_88 on October 24, 2006, 04:17:10 PM
about the nebula though, did anyone else note the "interference' didnt seem to be there anymore :-)?  and about the raiders i'll bet they were hitting the beast i had noticed it looked like they were doing that to galactica. and that super long pull out shot was pretty awesome. you think its all over, and then the first 2 rounds fly into the picture and then the next ones and then the rest of pegasus haha, just awesome
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Post by: Ender on October 24, 2006, 05:34:14 PM
i think it the fleet ever finds a nebula (other that the lagoon nubula) they should turn around and go the otherway, the first time we saw a nebula 2 raptors were lost along with commander garner and Pegasus got beat within an inch of her life, Second time we found new caprica which got occupied and lost a few of our ships lol
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Post by: Inkthinker on October 24, 2006, 05:54:40 PM
I think it's implied that they're ressurecting on some facility within New Caprica, and that one of the reasons they give up on the occupation is that their ability to continue doing so is diminishing... I don't recall that being stated outright, but something that was said during one of the meetings gave me that impression.

Cylons are mortal, as was proven in Scar and Ressurection Ship... and I think that when they're unable to reincarnate, they're just as subject to fear of death as any human (perhaps moreso, since they usually have a sense of immortality as long as they're near enough to a ressurection facility).

Might we also not assume that there are some limited ressurection facilities within a basestar? Like, not Res Ship capablity but enough to birth a handful of skinjobs at a given time?
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 24, 2006, 06:00:04 PM
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IMO - the "air intakes" are not air intakes = that would mean a really complicated engine.  Most likely the "air intakes" are really cooling intakes.


Actually, according to Battlestar Wiki, they're smaller-scale stand-alone "reverse thrust" engines, for immediate deceleration. Apollo uses them in the mining tunnel in The Hand Of God.
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Post by: The Trivial Psychic on October 24, 2006, 06:08:02 PM
I think that if there were resurrection facilities in place on New Caprica, it would have been the perfect target for the resistance... but also accordingly heavily defended.
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Post by: Snagger on October 24, 2006, 07:34:16 PM
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Longer than decades I would say Fish.

I'm not an anthropologist, but someone on the scifi boards is and did a detailed analysis of how a culture that has lost so much of its technology and advanced economic structure would be able to return to its previous state.

I don't remember the whole thing, but after the current generation dies out, it will probably be almost a century before the colonials can produce another ship capable of breaking orbit, much less recreate something as complex as an FTL drive.  Medical advances will be knocked back several decades at least, and pharmaceuticals will be back in the stone age.  It's really amazing how hard it would be to save all the specialization and skill of an advanced civilization with only a few computers, paper and pen, and 40,000 people.


Don't forget that Pegasus gave the Galactica a complete Colony archive when it joined the RTF (a box of CD like discs given to Gaeta), so the knowledge has been retained.
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Post by: StarSlayer on October 24, 2006, 07:39:22 PM
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Actually, according to Battlestar Wiki, they're smaller-scale stand-alone "reverse thrust" engines, for immediate deceleration. Apollo uses them in the mining tunnel in The Hand Of God.


No the Crash Stop retros pop out of the engine casing right behind the access hatch if you watch Act of Contrition, HOG or Home Prt I you will clearly see this.  The three primary intakes are most likely for use planetside when the the engines can breathe.
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 24, 2006, 08:11:08 PM
I stand corrected. lolz @ sig.
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Post by: Josh_88 on October 24, 2006, 08:15:38 PM
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Don't forget that Pegasus gave the Galactica a complete Colony archive when it joined the RTF (a box of CD like discs given to Gaeta), so the knowledge has been retained.



you are correct in saying that, and im sure there are engineers in the fleet capable of miracles, (the chief built the blackbird from scratch) but logistically it will take decades/centuries before they are capable to build something like a battlestar. they may know how, but think in reverse, battlestar built in orbit....needs shipyard or base of some sort..... which needs to be built....by something.... which has to be built by the colonists. they dont have the material, manpower, or facilities, that is why it would take so long.

as far as the engines A. the wiki has never been completely reliable just for reference, it has been very good but not always correct, and its clear that vipers can fly in atmo, as well as enter atmo, however, im sure that with the heat and turbulence involved, its not a great idea, they were likely not designed to do that, but can as a side thought in case its ever needed. remember that when starbuck was stranded, those intakes were getting clogged by the dust, and failing, and the other vipers were failing due to the stress of flying in conditions like that, so its clear they are capable, just not designed to do that as a primary function.


sorry for such a long post
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Post by: StarSlayer on October 24, 2006, 10:15:07 PM
Think the atmo on the Act of Contrition planet was crap, and that was causing the Vipers and Raptors all the problems.  Much like when the fancy dan Apaches had their motors clogged by sand over in Iraq, while Cobras kept flying (Wiskeys all the way).  In addition Adama's "me and the boys" shot clearly shows they and the Viper are at a Airbase indicating that Vipers are likely a major part of the Colonies aerospace fighting force, plus the vipers had to be able to break orbit to get back to 75 in Exo II.  RDM makes a point to stay away from STesq techno dribble but i thinkits safe to say that the Vipers are a dedicated aerospace superiority fighter.
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Post by: crimson96 on October 24, 2006, 10:47:15 PM
Box of CDs?

Dangit, you must be talking about something that happens in the extended version of Resurrection Ship.  I still haven't seen it!
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Post by: Draco429 on October 25, 2006, 02:42:28 AM
Actually, it's the extended edition of Pegasus. :p
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Post by: skimmons on October 25, 2006, 03:16:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j7Dw7MnIK4&search=battlestar%20galactica%20season%20three%20sci-fi%20BSG


/sigh it had to go i know but it still stinks
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Post by: MatthewPapa on October 25, 2006, 03:27:44 AM
people, be really careful about what you name threads and stuff.....

we wouldnt want to spoil season three for our european or asian friends

i would have been pissed if someone would have spoiled them for me
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Post by: StarSlayer on October 25, 2006, 03:34:44 AM
wow this rates a double
(http://www.game-warden.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2999&stc=1&d=1161747259)

(http://www.game-warden.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3000&stc=1&d=1161747259)
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Post by: Josh_88 on October 25, 2006, 04:38:24 AM
apparently people don't read other threads? .......  i mean this stuff is getting out of hand. i was here while season 2 was going on, and i dont remember the spoiler stuff being this bad
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Post by: Nuke on October 25, 2006, 04:49:41 AM
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about the nebula though, did anyone else note the "interference' didnt seem to be there anymore :-)?  and about the raiders i'll bet they were hitting the beast i had noticed it looked like they were doing that to galactica. and that super long pull out shot was pretty awesome. you think its all over, and then the first 2 rounds fly into the picture and then the next ones and then the rest of pegasus haha, just awesome

i noticed it. but i attributed it to the fact that most radar (dradis) systems have a wide range of settings for sensitivity range and field ov view. in a lookout mode it was probibly set to its longest range, its widest fov, and its highest sensitivity, which would also detect every little bet of noise from the nebula. when the system is focused on a particular area, it would give a much cleaner picture. its just a matter of setting the system to look at something rather than look for anything.
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Post by: Rogue420 on October 25, 2006, 07:59:38 PM
i'm wondering why Lee did't have a plan to save the peggy if he could. The Galactica bugged out and everyone on the peggy was still in cic. i'm assuming their FTL was down but that was never relayed to the viewer. it seems that the plan was to sacrifice the Pegasus all along. Why sacrifice the best asset that you have?
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Post by: Nothing_But_The_Rain on October 25, 2006, 08:28:18 PM
We've been mulling this over collectively, and my thoughts on that are this: it was an impulsive act on the part of a son not ready to lose his father, not a military decision made out of careful forethought and planning.

As an afterthought, wouldn't Pegasus have been a major drain on the fleet's resources, being larger, more sophisticated, and more manpower-intensive than good old Galactica?
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Post by: brs03 on October 25, 2006, 08:45:39 PM
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As an afterthought, wouldn't Pegasus have been a major drain on the fleet's resources, being larger, more sophisticated, and more manpower-intensive than good old Galactica?


I have a feeling the Beast was a bit more efficient in its design though, as far as manpower is concerned.  And for the resources, I think that is worthwhile if it means having those bow guns that Galactica seems to lack.  In the end I imagine the Beast's fate was simply one of plot necessity, not of in-universe logic (although it was certainly well-executed:yes: )
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Post by: Rogue420 on October 25, 2006, 09:16:47 PM
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I have a feeling the Beast was a bit more efficient in its design though, as far as manpower is concerned.  And for the resources, I think that is worthwhile if it means having those bow guns that Galactica seems to lack.  In the end I imagine the Beast's fate was simply one of plot necessity, not of in-universe logic (although it was certainly well-executed:yes: )


I think that i'm just sad that well no longer see the large capital ship battles that i enjoy so much. i'm sure it was out of plot necessity but they just left too much unexplained. i'm sure they could've monitered Galactica and bugged out virtually seconds after she did. but maybe things didn't go in chronological order. who knows. but what a way to go. showing up guns-a-blazin and not giving the cylons the satifaction of just pounding away and detroying her outright.
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Post by: Werthead on October 25, 2006, 09:17:11 PM
There is an interesting fact that I think escaped notice, but we know that there were only forty people on Pegasus when Lee took it into the fight. How? Only four Raptors take off and jump before the Pegasus is destroyed. Crammed to the max, they can only take ten people each.

This would very heavily suggest Lee planned to sacrifice the Pegasus by only taking forty people with him (presumably the bare minimum to point the ship in a direction, accelerate and fire its guns), not the 850 remaining Pegasus crew (since Pegasus was on half-crew and had 1700 people on board in the episode Pegasus). Sacrificing the Pegasus makes more sense in this context: only 40 deaths if they don't get off in time to save the 1,000-odd people on the half-strength Galactica.

I think it was suggested elsewhere that Pegasus was destroyed relatively quickly compared to the amount of damage it took in The Captain's Hand and kept ticking, simply because they didn't have fighter cover, probably not many people (or anyone) in Damage Control or Engineering etc. Having said that, the cutaways to New Caprica do give them some fudge room on how much time Pegasus did spend in the fight.

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As an afterthought, wouldn't Pegasus have been a major drain on the fleet's resources, being larger, more sophisticated, and more manpower-intensive than good old Galactica?


According to the extended version of the episode Pegasus, the ship has half the crew of Galactica, although nearly twice the volume. Remember that Galactica was on reduced crew even before the Cylon attack on the Colonies, which makes its situation after the Occupation more precarious, as it's actually on one-third or one quarter full strength. Having said that, also recall that Pegasus was down 700 crew due to the battle at the Scorpion shipyards and the Centurions boarding the ship. So by my estimate that makes the Pegasus' normal full complement about 2400 and the Galactica's thus about 4800. I believe the Galactica's strength in the series before the Occupation was about 2000. So Adama was actually taking his ship into battle at 25% its normal strength :eek2:  That guy's got balls.
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Post by: Roy Fokker on October 25, 2006, 09:22:22 PM
On the redevelopment of technology - remember guys: the technology is still there. The show has to end with some kind of resolution to the "Cylon problem", because I just don't see the RTF reaching Earth and living happily ever after - there has to be peace with the Cylons, and a return to the colonies. The Cylons were careful only to destroy the people and weapons, the cities are being rebuilt and most of the stuff is probably still there and operational.
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Post by: Rogue420 on October 25, 2006, 09:22:25 PM
that's what i was thinking. skeleton crew. no one to maintain the FTL if things got too harry.
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Post by: Ender on October 25, 2006, 09:45:36 PM
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There is an interesting fact that I think escaped notice, but we know that there were only forty people on Pegasus when Lee took it into the fight. How? Only four Raptors take off and jump before the Pegasus is destroyed. Crammed to the max, they can only take ten people each.




i dont see how that works, i can understand it if you were using a raptor for atmospheric operations but in exodus they didnt have to deal with any gravity, i reckon a raptor could take 15 people not inc pilots, and for taht matter in exodus i only think they had a few pilots, 3 at the most because lee can fly a raptor and it would just be a waste of manpower and space taking a pilot
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Post by: Dukeman42 on October 25, 2006, 10:14:51 PM
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i reckon a raptor could take 15 people not inc pilots


...have you SEEN the inside of a Raptor?!  15 peeps?!  okay, yeah probably possible, but man it would be CRAMPED!!!
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Post by: Werthead on October 25, 2006, 10:37:05 PM
There is a possibility more people were on Pegasus. More Raptors could have launched before the four we saw, or from the other docking bay. However, if we assume that a battlestar has 20 Raptors (assuming that only Galactica's went back to Caprica for the rescue mission), that's still only 200 people, well below Pegasus' available complement.

If the Caprica rescue mission was carried out jointly by both battlestars' Raptors, that reduces the number of crewmen on Pegasus to just 100 (for 10 Raptors), assuming that the Raptors lost in The Captain's Hand were replaced.

Since there are nowhere near enough Raptors to evacuate either battlestar in the event of an emergency (Galactica would need nearly 500 if she had a full crew complement), I would assume there are lifeboats or escape pods as well. Presumably these are non-FTL capable, and thus not used in this episode since ejecting in a defenceless pod whilst three Cylon basestars and a thousand Raiders are in the area would be rather hazardous.

Whichever numbers you use, I think this is strong evidence that Lee planned to sacrifice the Pegasus from the second he jumped into the system.
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Post by: Lithium on October 25, 2006, 10:47:06 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Lee did his best to scuttle the supplies to the RTF before going, and leaving behind the majority of the crew.

It's the only thing that makes sense. He isn't Cain, and is nowhere near as ruthless. The man cares about the people for fraks sake.
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Post by: Unknown Target on October 25, 2006, 10:50:06 PM
Adama said it himself did he not? Lee left all his Vipers behind; he knew it was a one way trip (Will Adama's words).
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Post by: Lithium on October 25, 2006, 10:52:42 PM
Quote from: Unknown Target;45063
Adama said it himself did he not? Lee left all his Vipers behind; he knew it was a one way trip (Will Adama's words).
You are correct, sir.
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Post by: Herra Tohtori on October 25, 2006, 11:11:52 PM
How many people fit inside a Raptor is, in open space mission at least, purely a matter of inconvenience and not of actual capacity. Short term, you could probably cram the whole ship full of twenty people and jump. Getting into atmosphere is a different thing altogether.

Also consider the possibility of multiple Raptor configurations. There are probably at least standard, very lightly armed troop transport Raptor, intel/recon Raptor, and assault Raptor (or bomber, if you like).

Troop transports are practically just tin cans with propulsion, guidance and life support, while the other two have heavy sensor equipment and/or dreadful amounts of armament.

Another thing to remember. If I recall correctly, the first Kobol expedition consisted of three Raptors: One was destroyed immediately, one crashed to the surface and one was able to jump back to the fleet.

Troop transports are usually designed to carry either half platoon or third platoon comfortably (and they can also pack more if necessary, at the price of inconvenience if nothing else). So I would say that a troop transport RAptor can safely and comfortably carry about 10 people, and that amount can most likely be crammed up to at least 15 or even 20 in case of very short mission. Obviously, a Raptor packed with 20 people and the crew would probably be a shitty experience, but I'd take it rather than. being stranded aboard a rampaging Battlestar.

Obviously the life support is designed for N amount of people, and putting 2N people into a ship produces... problems, but if the mission is just to undock, get into open space, jump and dock another ship, it doesn't really strain any limitations of the ship. It's only about 700 kg additional weight, and that's not that much after all, considering that the ship itself must weigh several tons.

Not to mention that open space flying does not actually strain any ship at all. They just accelerate a little slower if extra load is applied.:biggrin1:

Erm.. sorry about a lengthy message.
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Post by: karajorma on October 25, 2006, 11:53:00 PM
Watch the mini series. Should tell you exactly how many people can fit on a raptor as they maxed it out.

That said it was an already damaged raptor. Should give us a minimum at least though.
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Post by: Lithium on October 25, 2006, 11:59:54 PM
That was three adults, plus the trade off to accept Baltar, and there was about eight or nine kids. I would guestimate around 1200 pounds. Which, oddly enough, is around the same capacity for an elevator now that I think about it.

Any more and they wouldn't have been able to escape the gravity well.
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Post by: Turambar on October 26, 2006, 12:00:01 AM
thats also a raptor that needed to break orbit.  for 100% space missions i doubt the same requirement exists
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Post by: Nuke on October 26, 2006, 05:34:49 AM
cant a raptor use its ftl drive to exit a planets gravitational field? obviously galactica can :D

as for the pegsus, i think what they should have done is keep moving after they took out the first basestar, came about and straifed the second one, allowing galacticas birds to land after providing some fighter cover. that said i think a bruit force attack could have worked. i would have had pegasus lying in wait while the basestars closed in on the decoys. with supprise it would have had no problem dealing with them. adama could have done his manuver as planed with pegasus providing fire support. having lost suprise it could have only taken out 1 more basestar. if you nuke armed some of the raptors with the remaining warheads, you coulda taken out the 4th freespace style (maybe). of course this leaves the fleet vulnerble and isnt as dramatic.
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Post by: Lithium on October 26, 2006, 02:07:43 PM
Quote from: Nuke;45108
cant a raptor use its ftl drive to exit a planets gravitational field? obviously galactica can :D
I don't think so. That was before all the hoohah with Sharon went down. It was also before the Cylon heavy raider was captured, and it's advanced ftl drive was stripped.

In the Mini Series, FTL jumps were a big deal. Colonial tech had to compensate heavily when there were gravity wells present. Plus, I don't think that jumping out of an atmosphere was something they thought of. In addition to that, even if Boomer thought of it, I bet her hidden protocols tucked that thought away. This would make sense, since Helo was to be part of the Cylon experiment.

This is all hindsight conjecture, of course.
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Post by: StarSlayer on October 26, 2006, 02:19:27 PM
well the RTF was making planetside jumps in exo deuce. Id imagine a raptor being a sophisticated electronics bird could managne the same feet
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Post by: Lithium on October 26, 2006, 02:24:48 PM
True, however that was after all the jumps the fleet has done up to that point. Experience, and all that.
Plus, that was a 'do or die' moment. It was either jump out of the atmo, or face the Basestars in orbit.

I doubt they had intel on what was going on with the Galactica and the Pegasus, especially since the Pegasus wasn't part of the plan.
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Post by: StarSlayer on October 26, 2006, 02:33:41 PM
actually it was stated in extended Pegasus that the colonial's jump abilities in thier home system "within the red line" were much better then out in the sticks.  They had pretty much mapped out the twelve colonies FTL coordinate wise.
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Post by: Lithium on October 26, 2006, 02:39:32 PM
Hmm. Then I would only assume that Boomer's hidden protocols hid that bit of information solely to ensure that Baltar would escape, and Helo would be trapped.
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Post by: karajorma on October 26, 2006, 03:07:50 PM
Quote from: Lithium;45135
In addition to that, even if Boomer thought of it, I bet her hidden protocols tucked that thought away. This would make sense, since Helo was to be part of the Cylon experiment.


I don't buy that. Helo wasn't meant to stay on Caprica. I doubt they knew that Helo would sacrifice himself for Baltar.

More likely that was a chance event that the Cylons improvised around.
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Post by: Lithium on October 26, 2006, 04:06:42 PM
Well... they "have a plan" ... ;)
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Post by: Turambar on October 26, 2006, 04:13:03 PM
The Cylons were Created by man


They Rebelled


They Evolved


There are Many Copies


And Theyre Just Kinda Making it up as They Go Along
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Post by: Lithium on October 26, 2006, 04:35:35 PM
*snerks*
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Post by: StarSlayer on October 26, 2006, 04:59:48 PM
"They had a plan" probably fits the best, seems ever since Downloaded the leadership has been rather incompetent.  "TP is the answer to quelling the Resistence! If only they could wipe thier butts they would noyt be suicide bombing"
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Post by: Lithium on October 26, 2006, 05:43:32 PM
That was a bit odd.
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Post by: skippy9146 on October 26, 2006, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: Turambar;45146


And Theyre Just Kinda Making it up as They Go Along


LOL!

They really don't seem to have their shit together as of late, do they?

Frakking Skin-Jobs. You need a Centurion to get things done!
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Post by: Nahema on October 26, 2006, 08:51:36 PM
Quote from: skippy9146;45171
LOL!

They really don't seem to have their shit together as of late, do they?

Frakking Skin-Jobs. You need a Centurion to get things done!


Great thing about Centurions is you know where you stand, they're not going to frak you, they're not going to preach to you about god and whatnot, they're just going to shoot you...Bam!
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Post by: skippy9146 on October 26, 2006, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: Nahema;45177
Great thing about Centurions is you know where you stand, they're not going to frak you, they're not going to preach to you about god and whatnot, they're just going to shoot you...Bam!


No doubt... They're an efficient lot as well. Just a Heavy Raider full were almost enough to do the Galactica.
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Post by: Fish on October 27, 2006, 12:20:39 AM
I have an idea for a potential sub-plot that might arise: treachery by the Pegasus crew.

They obviously considered their ship superior to Galactica, never really had the same liking for the old man, and even considered civilians to be sacrificial at one point. Sure, some of them may have changed their minds, but I reckon there'd have to be a few who are mighty unhappy with Lee crashing their ship to save his dad. I'm surprised there wasn't a mutiny... or maybe there was? He was a little late to the party - maybe he got held up. [/speculation]
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Post by: TheMuffinMan on October 27, 2006, 01:42:18 AM
Quote from: Nahema;45177
Great thing about Centurions is you know where you stand, they're not going to frak you, they're not going to preach to you about god and whatnot, they're just going to shoot you...Bam!


They must have some feelings on the matter.  The Centurions are the ones that originally turned on the humans, afterall.
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Post by: skippy9146 on October 27, 2006, 02:49:54 AM
Quote from: TheMuffinMan;45231
They must have some feelings on the matter.  The Centurions are the ones that originally turned on the humans, afterall.


I'm sure at some point that after they gained sufficient computing power & achieved some rudimentary self-awareness, that they realized that cutting grass, picking up trash & just generally pushing the broom behind the human race just really sucked....

Sounds like grounds for an uprising to me! :hoppingma
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Post by: Unknown Target on October 27, 2006, 03:13:19 AM
The fleshjob Cylons are probably the ultimate evolution of the original Centurions. The latter probably became sentient, and as time grew on, built better and better copies of themselves, while creating newer, better, non-sencient work slave Cylons.
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Post by: Nuke on October 27, 2006, 06:34:11 AM
i take it the centurions dont have guts. good ol fashon silicon!
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Post by: Werthead on October 27, 2006, 09:12:31 PM
Actually, the Cylon Occupation worked very well until they introduced this brand of entertainment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBdfoZkwmn0). Enough to turn anyone to insurgency.
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Post by: skippy9146 on October 27, 2006, 09:50:12 PM
Quote from: Werthead;45325
Actually, the Cylon Occupation worked very well until they introduced this brand of entertainment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBdfoZkwmn0). Enough to turn anyone to insurgency.


ROFL!!!:biggrin1:
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Post by: sykochild on October 27, 2006, 10:03:32 PM
Quote from: Nuke;45261
i take it the centurions dont have guts. good ol fashon silicon!



Nope they do not have any guts. They built the centurions without any emotions or any kind of sense or guts because they didn't want their own rebellion on their hands. Of course im talking about the new generation cylon centurion.
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Post by: EchoZero on October 27, 2006, 10:49:23 PM
Another season 3 spoiler by sykochild.  *ignore list magic*!
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Nuke on October 27, 2006, 10:49:30 PM
so was the previous generation of cylons any different?
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Post by: KypFisto on October 27, 2006, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: Nuke;45341
so was the previous generation of cylons any different?


Yeah, they resembled the ones we saw in TOS. There's an original Centurion in Galactica's museum that you see in the mini-series.
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Post by: Lithium on October 27, 2006, 11:42:32 PM
I have a weird feeling that the number 5's are those old chrome jobs. They're too militant.
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Post by: skippy9146 on October 28, 2006, 02:25:36 AM
Quote from: Lithium;45349
I have a weird feeling that the number 5's are those old chrome jobs. They're too militant.


I think that the "12 models" refer to the "skin-jobs" only....

BTW Lithium - quick update on Gaeta's "location" :yes:

Speaking of your avatar, that pic of Gaeta has got some serious bloodshot eyes going on... looks like he's been hitting the ol' gravity bong with a purpose!:nervous:
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Post by: StarSlayer on October 28, 2006, 02:28:49 AM
Im not a fraking Toaster its conjunctivitis!
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: George Sorrell on October 28, 2006, 02:32:36 AM
Quote from: EchoZero;45340
Another season 3 spoiler by sykochild.  *ignore list magic*!


HINT: dont read threads with spoiler in the title if you dont want something spoiled!
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: Fish on October 28, 2006, 03:27:21 AM
It makes more sense for spoilers to be classed by episode. Something that is revealed in ep. 304 is able to be freely discussed in this thread, as that's what the title implies. Anything that is revealed afterwards is still subject to the regular spoiler policy, i.e. should be discussed elsewhere or be inside [ spoiler ] tags.
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Post by: WMCoolmon on October 28, 2006, 08:44:02 AM
Quote from: EchoZero;45340
Another season 3 spoiler by sykochild.  *ignore list magic*!

If you come into a discussion thread for an episode, you should expect people to reference events from previous episodes. sykochild's spoiler is stated by Boomer in episode 302 (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Precipice) as the very reason that she can walk around on the planet without getting shot on sight.
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Post by: Lithium on October 28, 2006, 08:59:07 AM
Quote from: skippy9146;45374
I think that the "12 models" refer to the "skin-jobs" only....

BTW Lithium - quick update on Gaeta's "location" :yes:

Speaking of your avatar, that pic of Gaeta has got some serious bloodshot eyes going on... looks like he's been hitting the ol' gravity bong with a purpose!:nervous:

That's what I meant. I think the programming for the old chrome jobs are the #5's the Doral model now.


They're red for a reason. I still think that he's a cylon.
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Post by: skippy9146 on October 28, 2006, 01:56:35 PM
Quote from: Lithium;45401
That's what I meant. I think the programming for the old chrome jobs are the #5's the Doral model now.


Funny... Haven't heard Doral say "By Your Command" yet!:D And the old Chrome Jobs were hardly masters of Public Relations.

Quote from: Lithium;45401
They're red for a reason. I still think that he's a cylon.


Still, he looks well & truly "baked" there.:wtf: If he's a Cylon, he may be known at the "Cylon Parties" as the "Marley" model... And on last night's episode, he sure was in the mess hall a lot!
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Post by: Dukeman42 on October 28, 2006, 04:25:51 PM
Quote from: skippy9146;45374
I think that the "12 models" refer to the "skin-jobs" only....


Except for this little bit in the last episode: [spoiler]D'anna said the vote for Baltar was three for, three against, and one undecided....that's seven.  Could it not be supposed that all of the human models voted?  Is it possible that there really were only seven 'human' models, leaving the other five to centurian, raider, heavy raider, Base Star(?) and one more?  Just a thought; It just seems that, if the human models were voting, all would weigh in.  That only 7 models were voting could support the 'mechanical models are included in the 12' theory.[/spoiler]
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Post by: Josh_88 on October 28, 2006, 05:46:36 PM
[spoiler]RDM said somewhere that there are 12 skinjobs. in an article somewhere it was implied we may never SEE all 12 models, and their identities may not even be known by the models we know about, but there are 12 skinjobs, so the raider and basestar etc, arent included. [/spoiler]
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Post by: skippy9146 on October 28, 2006, 06:10:54 PM
WTF? What's the deal with those spoiler tags?

Everytime I try to mouse over 'em, I can't see anything!

Edit - nevermind, figured it out.
Title: Episode 304 (LOTS OF SPOILERS, BEWARE!)
Post by: sykochild on October 28, 2006, 07:24:15 PM
Quote from: EchoZero;45340
Another season 3 spoiler by sykochild.  *ignore list magic*!


So what did I do wrong this time?