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Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: southernpride on February 09, 2005, 03:14:54 AM
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=310515


i am one of them
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: MatthewPapa on February 09, 2005, 03:25:32 AM
and you also dont know how to spell "democrats" (http://www.game-warden.com/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif)(http://www.game-warden.com/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif)(http://www.game-warden.com/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif)
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Duelron1001 on February 09, 2005, 10:11:50 AM
an idoit with nukes, "US" democracy for you. But Bush has so far stop an all out nuclear war with the north korans, if only just. But mark my words, if north koran comes under the "axis of terro" then we are all stuffed. No matter who wins we will all be dead or dieing.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Turambar on February 09, 2005, 12:58:17 PM
yeah, i know the word 'stupid' makes me less credible, but republican fiscal policy is just f*ckin' stupid
spend more money on useless things while letting the rich get richer by allowing them to better exploit the poor
that helps the economy how?
dumb f*cks
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: FusionStorm on February 09, 2005, 03:33:30 PM
Not really that is just the goverment, not the Republicans. If Democrats were in charge it would be the same.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Nuclear on February 09, 2005, 05:43:59 PM
Exactly. In fact, it would be even worse.  Remember the last Democrat in the Oval Office? Rather screw his secretary than care about taking down the '93 bombing terrorists?

Bush is not a "dumb****". Kerry, (Ted) Kennedy, Boxer, Pelosi, and Byrd are all "dumb****s".
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: MatthewPapa on February 09, 2005, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: WeatherOP
Not really that is just the goverment, not the Republicans. If Democrats were in charge it would be the same.
 
  Exactly
 
 
Quote from: Nuke
    Exactly. In fact, it would be even worse. Remember the last Democrat in the Oval Office? Rather screw his secretary than care about taking down the '93 bombing terrorists?
 
  Bush is not a "dumb****". Kerry, (Ted) Kennedy, Boxer, Pelosi, and Byrd are all "dumb****s".

 
  Yup. Jimmy carter was the worst though. In my opinion he was one of the worst president we ever have had. Frinking hippie...
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: southernpride on February 10, 2005, 02:24:37 AM
if my memory serves clinton reduced the nathions debt by a shitload,
yall cannot say the he was the only 1 to have an affair (come on if u were president u would be fuckin  everyone u could)
and bush is a dumbass u have to agree with me on this 1 (did u knwo he had to pay to get into yale(they wouldnet allow him till his daddy coughed up some dough))
may i ask y we went into iraq because like thig i posted they didnt have any wepons last time i checked, and there r other dictators like suddam hussain in other countries, but did we go and invade their country's NO.
we went to iraq because of oil, no questions asked, also who gets the tax breaks, THE 1 PERCENT OF RICH PEOPLE WHO NEED THEM THE LEAST come on now that is some bullshit
have u ever heard bush say "neuclear" (not exactly sure how u spell it)
he cant its funny
and maby if kerry won the election everyhting might be the same, but we never know because he didnt witch is a shame if u ask me because i cant stand to be governed  by  a retard
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: FusionStorm on February 10, 2005, 03:16:23 AM
He had to pay to get into Yale.... Well duh, everyone should have too, no matter how famous you are.And if Clinton had got Saddam in Desert Storm we wouldn't be in Iraq right now, would we?
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Harlequin on February 10, 2005, 03:45:21 AM
Before you post next time, actually try to understand what you are talking about. Anyway, I guess I'll take this post from the top down.

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if my memory serves clinton reduced the nathions debt by a shitload

You cannot possibly give Clinton all of the credit for doing this. While he was in office, the House of Representatives was Republican, and they have just as large an effect on the debt as he does. Also, I admit that Clinton was a fiscally responsible president, but much of what he did was continue debt reduction that had been going since the end of World War 2 and had just been interrupted by Reagan.

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yall cannot say the he was the only 1 to have an affair

Clinton didn't get in all of the trouble he was in for screwing his secretary; he got in trouble for perjury.

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and bush is a dumbass u have to agree with me on this

Bush not only graduated from Yale in 1968, he then went on to get his MBA from Harvard in 1975. At Yale he was in the middle of his class, which is pretty good, considering it is Yale. Its not like he's competing with average college students.

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we went to iraq because of oil

Oil prices have actually gone up since we invaded Iraq. Invading Iraq doesn't help the US get oil. I bet you don't even actually know what you mean when you say he invaded for oil, you have just heard people say that and repeated it. We are setting Iraq up as a country dependent on its own resources (its oil). This means that they will control the price (not the US). In the end, its OPEC that sets the price of oil anywhay, so who controls Iraq doesn't really matter.

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also who gets the tax breaks, THE 1 PERCENT OF RICH PEOPLE WHO NEED THEM THE LEAST

Bush's tax cuts actually are helping the top 4% or 5% income group. There is a reason for this. The richest people get the largest tax cuts because the richest people are paying almost all of the taxes. You can't cut the taxes on someone who is not paying the IRS anything. As it stands right now, you have to be earning more than 32,150$ per year to even have to pay income taxes. That's why the "poor people", those earning less than 30,000$, aren't getting any tax breaks.

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have u ever heard bush say "neuclear"

How you pronounce "nuclear" is no indication of leadership ability.

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i cant stand to be governed by a retard

Bush's IQ is actually around 129, with the average being around 100, and retarded beings set at 75.

Also, work on your spelling and grammar, nobody takes you seriously if you type like that.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Taristin on February 10, 2005, 03:50:00 AM
What I dislike about bush is how he keeps changing his stance on certain issues. Don't get me wrong, I think he's better than Kerry, but I can't stand how, on the subject of same sex marriage for example, stated that he would leave the decisions up to the state, and when some states started allowig it, he proposed a bill to 'protect the sanctity of marriage'. The asshat. :doubt:
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: MatthewPapa on February 10, 2005, 03:53:24 AM
Couldnt have said it better David.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Harlequin on February 10, 2005, 04:08:43 AM
I don't have a problem with people not liking Bush. I get mad when people critizice him for things that are not true, or when they don't actually know what they are talking about. Way too many people complain about Bush just because the don't like the way he pronounces stuff, and then they try and justify their complaints with random percieved "problems" (such as taxes) that they have heard other people talk about. Most people who complain have no idea what they are talking about.  I actually think that we could have a better president, but I do not think that Kerry was a better choice. My main real complaints about Bush are his opionions on legislating morals, such as abortion or gay marriage, and his education policies.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: southernpride on February 10, 2005, 04:31:17 AM
"Bush not only graduated from Yale in 1968, he then went on to get his MBA from Harvard in 1975. At Yale he was in the middle of his class, which is pretty good, considering it is Yale. Its not like he's competing with average college students."
 Bush had to have his daddy pay for him to get into Yale ( u can look it up)
about the taxes, if u were poor ,lets say about 15k a year, would u want a bigger tax cut or a smaller 1
the rich people dont need the tax cuts, the poor people do
so isnt it logical to maby cut the poorr people taxes and not the rich becasue their rich for gods sake and they can afford it

may i ask the reason for going into iraq if it wasnt about oil
and if it was jsut cause saddam was there then y not all those other countries with horrible dictators

y the fuck do u know bush's iq thats pretty creapy if u ask me
and another thing when i said bush cant pronounce neculear(whatever) i wasnt using that to jude his leading abilites i was just pokin fun at him casue if u listen to his speeches in most of them he says "wepons of mass destruction" not neculear(whatever)

PS. ill get back to u on the oil thing i jsut gotta check some facts
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: FusionStorm on February 10, 2005, 04:40:12 AM
Ummm, WMD's are not just nukes you know. BIO,CHEM,NUKE the big three.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Duelron1001 on February 10, 2005, 05:04:58 AM
I like it how Bush is saying how bad WMD are yet the US still has the largest stock big of such weapons (Russia isn't far behind). But no matter how high your IQ is (hehe mines 140, does that mean that I can be the offical leader of the US :P) it doesn't give you the right to go invading countries, some one that has a above adverage IQ should know that you don't go into such a stution with out information that is correct.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Taristin on February 10, 2005, 05:11:08 AM
You could never lead the US, unless you conquerred it. US law and all. Prohibitting foreign born peoples from running for president. ;)
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Duelron1001 on February 10, 2005, 05:24:26 AM
but i hear that they are trying to change it s good old arnie can become president.. I still have a chance  :biggrin1:

*voteing campaign*

vote 1 for Duelron1001 and big V will have to make FS 3!
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Black Wolf on February 10, 2005, 09:30:41 AM
Quote from: Harlequin
Bush's tax cuts actually are helping the top 4% or 5% income group. There is a reason for this. The richest people get the largest tax cuts because the richest people are paying almost all of the taxes. You can't cut the taxes on someone who is not paying the IRS anything. As it stands right now, you have to be earning more than 32,150$ per year to even have to pay income taxes. That's why the "poor people", those earning less than 30,000$, aren't getting any tax breaks.


Oh. So in the middle of an all but global recession it's a good idea to decrease taxes to those who, you claim, pay the most taxes? And start wars costing billions of dollars a day? That's sound fiscal planning right there.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Turambar on February 10, 2005, 12:43:58 PM
'd you know the shrub was the first leader ever, in the history of people leading other people around, to ever be dumb enough to cut taxes during a war... wtf?

oh, and a lot of his military people are israel pawns, which makes them automatically evil (as i always say, israel as a people is cool, but israel as a nation is one of the greatest evils, and its heresy too).  Israel pawns who wouldn't allow people who knew what they were doing to help plan the aftermath of Iraq because their goal wasnt liberation, it was 'killing as many of those damn arabs as we can'  

there's that, and theres my grudge against organized religion, it causes almost as many problems as the idea of 'nations' and those 'national borders'  but then the world is just stupid, and i cant change those things
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Nuclear on February 10, 2005, 04:27:21 PM
Excuse me? Israel is evil?

You want evil? Look at your little vaunted Arab friends, who gas, torture, rape, and murder their own people daily (not just Iraq; Iran does it too), giving terrorists millions of dollars to kill innocent Israelis and Americans, but when the largest Muslim nation in the world loses thousands of people, they don't even lift a finger to help.

As for Duelron's post: US weapons have kept the peace for 50 years. WMD's in the hands of those who do things like 9-11, the Spanish train bombs, Beslan, and terrorist attacks in Israel are evil.

Believe it or not, we're not in Iraq for oil. It's just like Harlequin said: OPEC controls oil. Invading Iraq does not.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Taristin on February 10, 2005, 04:59:18 PM
All nations are evil.  Israel. Palestine. Egypt. America.

You only ever hear one side of the story, though. And in America, all you hear is the America and Israel versus the world, side. :doubt:
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Gloriano on February 10, 2005, 05:11:09 PM
Hurrah communism!!!!!(http://game-warden.com/forum/images/smilies/nervous.gif)
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: karajorma on February 10, 2005, 05:17:10 PM
Quote from: WeatherOP
And if Clinton had got Saddam in Desert Storm we wouldn't be in Iraq right now, would we?


You're f**king joking right?  :eek2: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Desert_Storm)
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: FusionStorm on February 10, 2005, 05:44:41 PM
No. I'm not. Any of you herd about Black Hawk Down? I watched what really happened on the History channel one time.The US soldiers said after Black Hawk down happened and they all regrouped, they said that they wanted to go back in there and wipe e'm all out, and would have if Clinton and his weenie ways wouldn't have pulled them out.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: DaBrain on February 10, 2005, 05:47:04 PM
Quote from: Gloriano
Hurrah communism!!!!!(http://game-warden.com/forum/images/smilies/nervous.gif)



In terms of democracy, socialism is the best system you can have.
Well, it didn't work, so it's still a theory... :( *


I think the capitalism (and history proved that capitalism is a real, working system) is doomed to fail due to the influence of globalism.

If the global players choose to 'create' employment in countries with low taxes and low social standards (mainly third-world countries), US, Europe and some other will become unattractive to those big companies.
This will lead to a cut-down of social standards in the US and EU.
We will earn less money and have less rights. On the other hand, the poor countries won't gain anything, as they are only exploited  by the capitalism.

So the big companies will have more power over the politics in a country than the people. This progress (called 'Race to the bottom') will be the very end of the capitalism.



So even though no communism system worked the way it should, the capitalism will not either.

It's time for all nations to unite and think about a global system, that controlles the capitalism (in this case the big companies).

I'm sure that is the best way for all of us. But there are probably some people that will (would) fight this union...



Edit: *BTW I think the problem never was the system itself, but the manifestation of it.
And I don't agree with the 'everything belongs to everyone' part.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Gloriano on February 10, 2005, 06:03:45 PM
Quote from: karajorma
You're f**king joking right?  :eek2: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Desert_Storm)

 You didn't know that they were  wrestling when operation sand storm started? of course saddam did win
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Nuclear on February 10, 2005, 07:47:10 PM
Quote from: WeatherOP
No. I'm not. Any of you herd about Black Hawk Down? I watched what really happened on the History channel one time.The US soldiers said after Black Hawk down happened and they all regrouped, they said that they wanted to go back in there and wipe e'm all out, and would have if Clinton and his weenie ways wouldn't have pulled them out.


I think what Kara was pointing at was the fact that Clinton wasn't in charge of Desert Storm.

Hint: Try Bush Sr.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: southernpride on February 10, 2005, 09:05:39 PM
if bush didnt invade iraq for the oil then what for?
there have been numerous intelligence reports that told him ( i doubt he read tham) that there were no wepons of mass destruction in iraq. and then if he just invaded because of a bad dictator then y not all the other countries that have bad dictators too?
not just iraq

and yes i think we all would like a tax break but it aint gonna happen, and bush cuttin taxes for the rich people and during a war while i might add our country has one of the biggest national deficits its ever had is a bad idea
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Taristin on February 10, 2005, 09:39:53 PM
Vengeance?   Saddam did try to kill Bushy Sr.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: southernpride on February 11, 2005, 12:28:25 AM
bush has no right to go and start wars because he wants revenge thats bullshit
and its not being a good leader, that is taking his personal problems and makin a country suffer because his own agenda not any1 elses
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: karajorma on February 11, 2005, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: Nuclear
I think what Kara was pointing at was the fact that Clinton wasn't in charge of Desert Storm.

Hint: Try Bush Sr.


Got it in one. I might not like Clinton much but I think it's a bit rich to complain at him for not removing Saddam in a war that happened nearly a whole year before he was elected.

The blame for not deposing Saddam lies squarely at the foot of Bush Snr. Who instead decided to convince the population of Basra to rise up against Saddam and then turned his back on them once they started losing.

I've said this before. The difference between republicans and democrats (which what I'd probably be if I were American) is that we know they guys we vote for are w**kers. We just don't think they're as big w**kers as the opposition. Republicans on the other hand seem to actually refuse to believe their idols ever do anything wrong.

Blaming Clinton for being a pussy when your own wimp president failed to remove Saddam when he had the world's opinion on his side and troops half way into Iraq is quite simply utter rubbish. Clinton had no reason to go into Iraq whatsoever. Not even the spurious reasoning Bush managed to use.

As for Black Hawk Down it might be worth remembering that the US were there on a peace keeping mission. Going in and wiping out whole towns was not the reason they were there.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Turambar on February 11, 2005, 01:25:06 AM
Israel is evil because of that whole genocide thing theyve got going on.  theyve violated more UN resolutions than Iraq ever did, they detain random palestinians without any legal representation.  why? because of all of the suicide bombers.  but have you ever asked yourself why these people decide to blow themselves up?  What people forget is that even if they live differently (and palestinians live like shit, thanks to israel) they're still people.  These people are so oppressed that they have nothing left, and blowing themselves up is the only way they can fight back.  There's a law in israel that says if a piece of land is unnocupied for two years, it can be taken for israelis to live on.  What they do is evict the palestinians, and keep them off, either with guns, or with that nice little fence theyve built between the people and their land.  And their troops are real cowards too, using palestinians as human shields, and assasinating an old cleric with a hellfire missile launched from an attack helicopter.  it disgusts me, how this supposedly westernized country, this 'outpost of democracy' in the middle east can get away with this kind of crap.  and how do you think the other people in the area view the US?  if israel is an outpost of western democracy, and they do that, what kind of impression does that make
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Robotech123 on February 11, 2005, 01:29:24 AM
Quote from: southernpride
bush has no right to go and start wars because he wants revenge thats bullshit
and its not being a good leader, that is taking his personal problems and makin a country suffer because his own agenda not any1 elses


What the hell are you talking about man? Revenge...hardly. You have been reading off of too many radical democratic websites and have been brainwashed by their content. Not saying the republicans are any better...but..please check your facts before you post again. Nearly all of the stuff you posted is BS. Do you realize how one sided that website you posted is?!?! People can twist things to make them sound very different than they really are. Please check your facts next time instead of pulling them from your ass.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: FusionStorm on February 11, 2005, 02:06:34 AM
I remember reading that Clinton was elected right at the end of Desert Storm, now that might have been wrong, But, I do know that he ran out of Mogadishu like a baby.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: southernpride on February 11, 2005, 02:56:32 AM
do u realize that i said revenge because thats what robotech was talkin about and i was jsut amkin a point
also i realize that that site is very biased and that there are 2 sides of everything and sometimes 3 (nader) but then again can u tell me y bush started the war if he wasnt pissed at saddam because of his daddy and if he wasnt then y not all the countries that have horrible dictators.
and please if u have no idea of what u r talking about then dont get pissed about other people

another thing that i saw and every1 and their mother can check it because i know that its not some democrat bs: the day after 9-11 all air traffic wa suspended, execpt that bush made and exception and do u knwo waht that was?  Bsh let the osama familly fly back to wherever their from out of the us right after 9-11, do u knwo y because they were buddy buddy because of the oil situation  (even though they had down osama bin laden as a major suspect of 9-11


 have yall ever seen Michael Moore's movie or book i know it is baised nad what not BUT it has some very interistin FACTS in it if u sort out all the propaganda there are some facts in it that make bush look pretty bad

when he was told about 9-11 he was readin to a class of elementary school kinds and a secreat service guy came and whispered in his ear that the us has been attacked, and do u knwo what he did he sat there and continued to read to the kids after he'd been told that we were under attack
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Nuclear on February 11, 2005, 03:01:53 AM
Turambar, have you been living under a rock for the past week? That's all about to end. Israel and Palestine are finally standing down.

Plus, half the crap you said about Israel is just plain not true. If the Israelis do detain prisoners, it's because those Palestinians that they do detain are killing innocent Israelis (whom, might I point out, the entire world seems to be against).

Before you start calling Israel evil and blame them for "blowing off UN resolutions", look at all of the crimes committed by the innocent Palestinians and their Arab supporters. Saddam gassed his own people. The Saudis refuse to give their people any education. Syria persecutes those who don't agree with their own views on the world. Palestine sends teenagers with bombs strapped to their bodies off to die rather than try to make a deal with Israel. Chechnya kills little kids in schools.

Don't ever call Israel evil until you look at what the rest of the Middle East is doing.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: FusionStorm on February 11, 2005, 03:07:02 AM
You mean Bush should have stoped reading to those kids and said "sorry I can't read anymore because some morons have destroyed the Trade Centers and hundreds of people are dead".
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Harlequin on February 11, 2005, 03:13:42 AM
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Oh. So in the middle of an all but global recession it's a good idea to decrease taxes to those who, you claim, pay the most taxes? And start wars costing billions of dollars a day? That's sound fiscal planning right there.


First of all, if youíre going to decrease taxes, it makes sense to do it for the people who are paying the most. That way, you don't end up with part of the population paying large taxes and part of the population paying virtually nothing (which is actually pretty close to how it is right now.) Anyway, tax cuts actually help the economy if they are done right. Tax cuts mean more money for the people. This means that the people spend more money on investments or products, both of which end up with the money being returned to the employees of those companies as income. The government taxes this extra money in the system, as it taxes everything. Therefore, the government taxes lower percents on more money. In effect, the government gets the same revenue, and the economy improves. This occurs if the tax cuts are done correctly. I'm not saying this is going to happen with Bush, but this is at least a lot of the theory behind tax cuts in general. Reagan successfully did this in the 80's. I'm also not defending Bush's war. I think that it was poor planning. Also what do you mean about the people I "claim" pay the most taxes? Those numbers about who pays aren't a wild estimate, thatís US tax law.

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, if u were poor ,lets say about 15k a year, would u want a bigger tax cut or a smaller 1

You dont pay income tax if your income is less than 32,150 per year. I think i already said this.

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if bush didnt invade iraq for the oil then what for

What do you actually mean, "invade for oil"? Are you referring to more oil for the US? Bush personally aquiring oil? Or are you just using a phrase you have heard? Anyway, neither of the first two are actually true. The second is ridiculous, and the first is not true. The price of oil has gone up since his war. That price is controlled by OPEC. Who rules Iraq makes no difference. Iraq is being set up to independently control its oil. This means that when we are done the US will be out of the loop.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Black Wolf on February 11, 2005, 04:23:11 AM
Quote from: Harlequin
First of all, if youíre going to decrease taxes, it makes sense to do it for the people who are paying the most. That way, you don't end up with part of the population paying large taxes and part of the population paying virtually nothing (which is actually pretty close to how it is right now.) Anyway, tax cuts actually help the economy if they are done right. Tax cuts mean more money for the people. This means that the people spend more money on investments or products, both of which end up with the money being returned to the employees of those companies as income. The government taxes this extra money in the system, as it taxes everything. Therefore, the government taxes lower percents on more money. In effect, the government gets the same revenue, and the economy improves. This occurs if the tax cuts are done correctly. I'm not saying this is going to happen with Bush, but this is at least a lot of the theory behind tax cuts in general. Reagan successfully did this in the 80's. I'm also not defending Bush's war. I think that it was poor planning. Also what do you mean about the people I "claim" pay the most taxes? Those numbers about who pays aren't a wild estimate, thatís US tax law.



Tax cuts for the rich to stimulate a flailing economy doesn't work. It's never worked in the past, and it's not going to work now. It did, I'm sure, make a whole lot of fat cats very happy and willing to support Bush's re-election campaign, but it certainly didn't do much for the US economy, which continues to go down the shitter and only has a chance of coming good now that Bush's latest budget has hacked the crap out of social spending. Ultimately, it doesn;t bother me of course - Australia's one of the few places in the world to buck the global economic trend, and WA's is best performing economy in the country. I'd've expected it'd've worried you though.

As for the tax breakdowns, Bush's tax cuts assist the top 2% of American taxpayers by the most, by a massive margin. In order for them to be paying more than the rest of the population, they'd need, on average, to pay 50 times more than the average taxpayer from the other group. I'm not saying that's impossible given the socioeconomic profile of America (and, I'll admit, a lot of other industrialized western nations), just unlikely if you know anything about the tax economics of the upper class - when you can hire a bevy of accountants to sort out your finances, there're very few taxes that can't be dodged in one way or another.

And besides, what's wrong with the upper class paying the most tax? They can afford it, no? That's the elemental tenant of the PAYE system. All that decreasing their payments is going to do is shift the burden of governmental support onto the middle and lower class, and it'll be a greater burden than before when someone suddenly realizes that this borrowed money stuff isn't always all that great (did you know you eventually have to give that back?!?) and that, with a significantly decreased inflow of cash from the upper class, and no obvious way to decrease the outflow, someone has to pick up the slack, and you can bet that, under the US election system, there's not going to be a single person elected under the promise of tax increases to the wealthy.

Quote from: Harlequin
What do you actually mean, "invade for oil"? Are you referring to more oil for the US? Bush personally aquiring oil? Or are you just using a phrase you have heard? Anyway, neither of the first two are actually true. The second is ridiculous, and the first is not true. The price of oil has gone up since his war. That price is controlled by OPEC. Who rules Iraq makes no difference. Iraq is being set up to independently control its oil. This means that when we are done the US will be out of the loop.



I want to ask you a simple question - do you honestly think that the US is going to leave when Iraq gets back on its feet and that there'll be no "special relationship" between the two countries? Tres bullshit. The neo-cons are aware of the global decrease in oil reserves and they're doing whatever the hell they can to secure friendly nations with access to oil so that, when the shit finally hits the fan and people start to wake up to the global resource shortage in a decade or two, America will be able to work out some nice, safe guaranteed trade agreements with the Iraquis.

/me hides untapped Australian oil reserves. Mine! Mine!
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Goober5000 on February 11, 2005, 06:59:30 AM
...this had better not turn into HLP... :sigh:
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on February 11, 2005, 08:04:03 AM
i'm just waiting for the first insult to be hurled so i can close thius thread.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Duelron1001 on February 11, 2005, 08:25:36 AM
at the rate that this is going that shouldn't take to long.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: Taristin on February 11, 2005, 02:39:11 PM
Quote from: ShadowWolf_IH
i'm just waiting for the first insult to be hurled so i can close thius thread.


Your're a big meany! You hussy!









:p
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: DaBrain on February 11, 2005, 04:14:02 PM
Ok, we should all try to calm down a bit.

This is a complex topic.



I want to point out the following things:

There is no 'evil' nation. It is wrong to call a whole nation 'evil'.
You judge all people in that nation with a sentence like that.

You can point out your position, but don't try to force people to agree with you.

If point out your position you should explain why you think this way.

Tolerate the opinions of the other people.
Title: for all those democrates out there
Post by: MatthewPapa on February 11, 2005, 05:23:56 PM
This thread has already causeed enough damage.